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Author Topic:   New Book: Kerry ‘Unfit for Command’
Dan Carroll
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Message 196 of 612 (136837)
08-25-2004 5:26 PM
Reply to: Message 176 by MisterOpus1
08-24-2004 5:42 PM


Re: Kerry accused of heresy,
Hey, Opus... you mind if I lift this flip-flop list for another forum?

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coffee_addict
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Message 197 of 612 (136838)
08-25-2004 5:42 PM
Reply to: Message 176 by MisterOpus1
08-24-2004 5:42 PM


Re: Kerry accused of heresy,
Hey Opus, mind if I keep a copy of this list for future reference?

The Laminator
We are the bog. Resistance is voltage over current.
For goodness's sake, please vote Democrat this November!

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MisterOpus1
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Message 198 of 612 (136839)
08-25-2004 6:08 PM
Reply to: Message 196 by Dan Carroll
08-25-2004 5:26 PM


Re: Kerry accused of heresy,
By all means, be my guest. Besides, as one Admin. here has stated, anything posted on this forum becomes the property of the forum.

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Dan Carroll
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Message 199 of 612 (136842)
08-25-2004 6:13 PM
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08-25-2004 6:08 PM


Re: Kerry accused of heresy,
Cool, thanks! And I just thought I'd ask... y'know, politeness and all.

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docpotato
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Message 200 of 612 (136845)
08-25-2004 6:52 PM
Reply to: Message 195 by MisterOpus1
08-25-2004 4:07 PM


Re: JOHN O'NEILL Interviewed by CBN
[breaks out into applause]
wow. great work!

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johnfolton 
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Message 201 of 612 (136849)
08-25-2004 7:31 PM


Sounds a bit as if Kerry is all talk, yet in the Senate played the role of a pragmatist, never accomplishing much, is that what one wants for president, probably explains why he's such a flip flopper, which of course is why you can not base Kerry on what he says but what he does, George W. Bush has proven to be a much better leader, less of a pragmatist more of a doer, going forward, cutting taxes, while Kerry record shows him to be more of an investigator, who seems to me to be continually trying to weigh the pro's and con's until Kerry appears to be all things to all sides, appearing that hes does not know what side of an issue that he's actually on(poor leadership qualities), like there is what Kerry says, but then again there is what Kerry did, does, will do, etc...is this what we need for America, someone that flips with the times, the truth is Kerry can not help, and flipped over Vietnam, requesting to be transferred out of Vietnam, now Kerry is talking about increasing intelligence, when he voted against intelligence, one can simply not believe Mr. John Kerry, if he involves the United Nations, that will mean taxation will needed to be increased to pay the United Nations terrorist nations to keep our peace (how quickly we forget how our troops were dragged through the streets in a combined UN force, Page not found – Net Nomad while the terrorist leader of the UN force volunteered American Rangers to be killed)pressure was put on the administration by U.N. Secretary General Boutros Boutros-Ghali; his deputy in Somalia, however I can see that this would appeal to Kerry as it was Clintons desire for this to be a success, and kerry's military record of fleeing the scene, leaving soldiers to be rescued by others (if one believes John O'Neils Vets), to say kerry will lower taxation is simply another one of Kerry's contradictions, how can you lower taxes if one involves the United Nations, the terrorist nations are not going to foot the bill(do you really want our soldiers lives in action determined by non-US generals, might as well remain a soverign nation by Voting for GWB, and leave the terrorists of the UNited Nations depowered, what Kerry likely wants is to fang the United Nations, with American taxpayer dollars, etc...
Pressure was put on the Clinton administration by U.N. Secretary General Boutros Boutros-Ghali; his deputy in Somalia to send US Rangers, etc... Interestingly it wasn't an American General sending the troops, calling the shots, etc... This is what Kerry wants, is for non-US Generals calling the shots for our soldiers in a multi UN force, if the UN Generals called the shots instead of Rumsfield through GWB, likely the body toll would of been much higher in Iraq, Afganistan, etc... The United Nations is outraged at Israel for protecting her borders, to not allow the Palestinains the opportunity to blow themselves up within the Israelies border, is this what Kerry wants for Americans, etc...
Page not found – Net Nomad
P.S. Kerry will likely attack Rumfield cause he has no place in a Kerry UN Peace keeping plan with NON US COmmanders leading our soldiers, kerry always seems to be siding with the enemies of our country, this is more negative propaganda for US interests, and this is simply treasonous, etc...
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jar
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Message 202 of 612 (136850)
08-25-2004 7:32 PM


Bump for whatever
There is an open question in Message 166 and repeated in Message 170 and again in Message 189.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Message 203 of 612 (136857)
08-25-2004 8:03 PM
Reply to: Message 202 by jar
08-25-2004 7:32 PM


Re: Bump for whatever
jar, This thread is about Kerry being unfit for command, not about bushwacking bush, who has already proven himself, the process goes forward, laws are changing, which is your concern, the federal judge nominations, though if Kerry is breaking federal law by recieving a senate salary for time not present, he should be prosecuted, likely the problem is not conservative federal judges, but liberal interpretativness of federal law, allowing this travisty to continue, etc...
P.S. I think you would agree, that a senator should be present to recieve payment for services, rather than being a lone wolf, to pretend to be a senator, when not present, etc...
Kerry should resign, from the Senate, its the honorable thing to do, to lead by example, that its not right to recieve a salary for services not rendered, I don't like to work, but think one would be hard pressed to find a job where you would recieve a salary, and not show up for work, this qualifies Kerry the role of being a thief, along with what he says not lining up with what he's done (lying), etc...

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jar
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Message 204 of 612 (136861)
08-25-2004 8:12 PM
Reply to: Message 203 by johnfolton
08-25-2004 8:03 PM


Yet another bump for whatever.
I've lost track. Is this the sixth time I've asked you this question?
Does George Bush enforce the laws of the land?

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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crashfrog
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Message 205 of 612 (136868)
08-25-2004 9:15 PM
Reply to: Message 201 by johnfolton
08-25-2004 7:31 PM


Funny...
...why does all this sound so familiar?
Oh, yeah. Because we refuted it a hundred posts ago.

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RAZD
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Message 206 of 612 (136873)
08-25-2004 9:41 PM
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08-25-2004 9:15 PM


Re: Funny...
yes
It seems that old buddhist saying "the teacup is full" certainly applies here.

we are limited in our ability to understand
by our ability to understand
RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
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joshua221 
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Message 207 of 612 (136879)
08-25-2004 10:29 PM


I would like to think that "Unfit for Command" is worth reading, but frankly, democrats and liberals I talk to, just could care less about the medals, they care about the BIG issues, forget abortion, and the past wrong doings of the canidate, and think about the BIG stuff like the economy, healthcare, when talking to anyone on this website, that is why "UNFIT FOR COMMAND" is maybe good to read if you care more about the person and the persons beliefs, which a lot of people do (they are not wrong for this), but many liberals I talk to would rather look at the issues.
Talking about the Canidate's beliefs and morals is useless I guess with every liberal I have spoken to. In my bubble this seems to be the case, maybe you can take this as advice, whatever. It's a lot more complex than that.
This reply may seem hypocritical, I have spoken with people about making ALL Christians "sleepers" in their posts, liberals aren't all like that of course, I'm just saying that they have priorities that seem to override the "small" things.

The earth is flat.

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Message 208 of 612 (136887)
08-25-2004 11:00 PM
Reply to: Message 207 by joshua221
08-25-2004 10:29 PM


riiight !!
especially when the book is full of lies and intentionally misrepresents things in direct contradiction with documented facts
rational people are notoriously nonpulsed about studying lies instead of facts
but then talking about rational and logical evaluations seems to be unimportant to neocon conservatives when you can use hype and inuendo instead. In my bubble that seems to be the case ....

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joshua221 
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Message 209 of 612 (136890)
08-25-2004 11:08 PM
Reply to: Message 208 by RAZD
08-25-2004 11:00 PM


Re: riiight !!
, A little harsh Razd, This is what I was avoiding, You cannot do that to conservitives. I just hope your bubble is small. LOL
Sorry to join this late, been tied up with sports, but have you read the book? If not where are the sources for this book containing lies, Just wondering, not saying your wrong, need to be informed I guess.

The earth is flat.

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RAZD
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Message 210 of 612 (136893)
08-25-2004 11:23 PM
Reply to: Message 209 by joshua221
08-25-2004 11:08 PM


Re: riiight !!
christian reform church west michigan ... yeah it's pretty small.
try John Kerry's Service Record | Snopes.com
I have not seen any evidence of bias from snopes other than for fact over fiction.
meanwhile we now have two people who have been involved with both the bush campaign and the attack ad crew. add that to a pattern of attacking veterans from the neocons ... they even attacked McCain in the primaries
I think the attack from the neocons is to counter the fact that bush cannot show proof of not being AWOL or of an honorable discharge at the end of his service, extended by 6 months for disciplinary action for missed medical exam and missed training ... from surrogate service in the Air Natl Guard.

we are limited in our ability to understand
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