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Author Topic:   The Time Problem With A Mythical Jesus
portmaster1000
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Message 4 of 76 (137772)
08-29-2004 12:15 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Jasonb
08-27-2004 12:13 PM


Normal Outrageous Claims
It's my understanding that during this era in history, what we would consider outrageous claims could be considered a norm. We have depictions of supernatural events from, I daresay, all ancient cultures. This time understood much of the world through what we today would consider magical means. I often wonder if the Gospels were making out of the ordinary claims from their original audience’s perspective.
In our day of "investigative reporting", "multiple 24 hour news networks" and "instant googling of everything", such claims would indeed be harder to fake. However, even with all the sources for news, facts and figures we have at our hands today, I myself seldom take time to investigate claims made on CNN. I might catch the same story on FOX but who can say that CNN and FOX didn't use the same source material. It becomes a very tedious life if I need to triple check everything I hear on the evening news daily and I have some free time each day. I can only imagine how a person two thousand years ago would have gone about it.
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portmaster1000
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Message 6 of 76 (137779)
08-29-2004 1:26 AM
Reply to: Message 5 by RAZD
08-29-2004 1:11 AM


Re: Normal Outrageous Claims
Member with the hands-down-best avatar writes:
a survey showed that conservatives generally trust Faux compared to the others, but still rated it under 50% trustworthy. Liberals rated NPR\PBS the highest and trusted news more than conservatives. Liberals were also more likely to check their results ...
This survey is an excellent example of how our biases effect what information we view as plausible or trustworthy. If we have a large percentage of the population that already believes in supernatural cult events then news of more supernatural events will probably be seen as plausible.
At first, I thought your "faux" (teehee) news remark was just an off topic comment but it's a rather excellent observation that's right on target, RAZD.
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portmaster1000
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Message 32 of 76 (137982)
08-29-2004 11:47 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by Jasonb
08-29-2004 5:28 PM


An Example
Perhaps to supplement your argument, you could provide an example of some myth being debunked because of it's creation time frame (ie within 70 - 100 years). Then we could compare this example to the Gospels. You could show elements in the example that aren't true with the Gospels. I, myself, would like some frame of reference for your "70 year" statement.
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portmaster1000
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Message 68 of 76 (139235)
09-02-2004 3:53 PM
Reply to: Message 67 by Phat
09-02-2004 2:14 PM


Re: Mythical Jesus Synopsis by Phatboy
I wrote:
quote:
If we have a large percentage of the population that already believes in supernatural cult events then news of more supernatural events will probably be seen as plausible.
Phatboy writes:
Does this mean that people even today who are very rational, methodical, and even a bit skeptical will tend to disregard an authentic Risen Christ as implausible? The largely superstitious(Pagan and Jewish) population of that time was thirsty for any shard of hope to explain their world. Myself having witnessed supernatural events, I believe the myth to be reality! Jesus lives!
A person's bias will always effect their initial response to new information. If I have a belief that the world operates in such a way and I read an article that contradicts that belief I will want to reject that article. However, I shouldn't reject it because it conflicts with my world view. I should evaluate the article on it's own merits. Of course, that action may lead to an uncomfortable evaluation of my own world view .
I see bias working in the opposite way as well. If I read an article that agrees with my world view I am very inclined to accept it. I'm not likely to accept this article on it's own merits. I'll accept it because it reinforces what I already belief. In a way, this agreeable article is more insidious than the conflicting one. It could reinforce a falsehood.
You have intrigued me, Phatboy. Would you be willing to go into more detail about the supernatural events you have witnessed?
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