Creationist Baumgardner: one of the top mainstream mantle/plate tectonics simulators!

One thing that AIG doesn’t mention in that piece is Baumgardners model isn’t used by NASA with the time scales he uses when writing for creationist tabloids. But AIG conveniently overlooks that little tidbit. Some unsuspecting dupe may be led to believe that NASA believes as he does. Also, if Baumgardner is a young earth creationist then why does he publish in science journals using 100s of million year time frames with his model?Abstract:TIME SCALES AND HETEROGENEOUS STRUCTURE IN GEODYNAMIC EARTH MODELS
Bunge, H.-P., Richards, M.A., Lithgow-Bertelloni, C., Baumgardner, J.R., Grand, S.P., and Romanowicz, B., 1998, Science, 280, 91-95
Computer models of mantle convection constrained by the history of Cenozoic and Mesozoic plate motions explain some deep mantle heterogeneity structures imaged by seismic tomography, especially those related to subduction. They also reveal a 150 million year time scale for generating thermal heterogeneity in the mantle, comparable to the record of plate motion reconstructions, so that the problem of unknown initial conditions can be overcome. The pattern of lowermost mantle structure at the core-mantle boundary is controlled by subduction history, although seismic tomography reveals intense large-scale hot (low-velocity) upwelling features not explicitly predicted by the models.So it seems his model can be used for anything from a few days or weeks up to hundreds of millions of years.

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I took it as implicit that NASA didn't use Baumgardner's spped up versions! AIG could have been clearer for the uninitiated - I agree. All of us knew that implicitly though.

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Well if you read the interview and weren’t initiated, and you had read Refuting Evolution by Jonathan Sarfati and had read in chapter 1, p 26. where it says Dr. John Baumgardner’s catastrophic plate tectonics theory was reported in Nature you might be a little confused. Baumgartner’s catastrophic modeling only appears in creationist tabloids.

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I also have to use evolutionary terminology in my mainstream publications (homology etc). In my lectures I call (distant) homology as 'homology/taxonomic realtionships'. That is how I get around the problem in my field.

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But you don’t say these homology/taxonomic relationships are due to common descent.

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I can't see any way of Baumgardner getting arond using 'millions of years' in his work and still get published. I don't have a problem with Baumgardner doing that.

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So getting published trumps ethical considerations?

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The prevailing model and bias is a reality.

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Turn that around a bit and it goes like this; The prevailing model is reality, and those that are biased say no apparent, perceived, or claimed evidence in any field, including history and chronology, can be valid if it contradicts the Scriptural record.

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I and he are obviously realists.

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Yeah

TB,
Jonathan Sarfati works for Answers in Genesis and his book is copywriter by them. This reinforces my claim that AIGs intention is to deceive. [QUOTE]Originally posted by Tranquility Base to Edge:
[B]Baumgardner is like me - a mainstream scientist during the day and a covert creationist at night! (I am more covert than he is.) We are forced into it. From every indication I can get Baumgardner seems to be a very well respected mainstream scientist. In 1997 he was still working at Los Alomos - I have no idea what he is doing now.[/QUOTE]In what way is Baumgardner being covert? He writes his creationist works using his real name. It doesn’t seem to have affected his employment. He isn’t ’forced’ to write or say anything he doesn’t believe, and neither are you.

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Originally posted by Tranquility Base:
Yes this is all very constraining. By maybe, in the wash, it all just works out and the ark really was there to protect those on baord from a truly bizarre event. And maybe we now know the real reason for the marine extinctions. Only small pockets of life survived to repopulate.

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So I'll believe that. I'll beleive that the Bible is not kidding in talking about a recent global flood.

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You can believe that life evolved from slime.

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It's faith for both of us.

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[This message has been edited by Tranquility Base, 08-21-2002]

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Way to go, Tranquility Base. Retreat to a miracle then change the subject when Baumgardner’s runaway model doesn’t stand up to critical examination.This horse is pretty much dead from boiling.