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Author Topic:   Nature of a GOD?
jar
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Message 6 of 32 (121610)
07-03-2004 12:04 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by sidelined
07-03-2004 4:20 AM


JMHO & YMMV
You bring up some very good points that do need to be addressed.
Now either He does not live outside of time and space or the material world necessarily operates on its own.You cannot have it both ways correct?
Not exactly. I think it would be more reasonable to say that time and space exist within GOD.
GOD is a matter of belief and faith. You seem to want to bound GOD within some preconcieved limitations on what is possible, or not possible. But that is simply not possible except in an environment that says GOD has limitations.
Many of us would say that GOD is time and space, and that he existed before time and space and will exist after time and space. That may be hard to grasp but IMHO, adequately describes the Nature of a GOD.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 9 of 32 (121708)
07-04-2004 12:16 AM
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07-04-2004 12:05 AM


Re: JMHO & YMMV
Yes, we have gone over this before. IIRC I went on to say that it is more appropriate to say that Time and Space reside within GOD.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 11 of 32 (121991)
07-05-2004 1:33 AM
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07-05-2004 1:12 AM


Re: JMHO & YMMV
I could just point you to...
There are Jews in the world, there are Buddhists,
there are Hindus and Mormons and then
there are those that follow Mohammed -but-
I've never been one of them.
I am a Roman Catholic
and have been since before I was born,
and the one thing they say about Catholics is
they'll take you as soon as you're warm.
You don't have to be a six-footer.
You don't have to have a great brain.
You don't have to have any clothes on, you're
a Catholic the moment dad came
...Because...
...but I wont.
you ask...
What is the nature of the universe that you would require the extra addition of a God such that no amount of probing or investigation will reveal Him and yet at the same time inflict on a good number of people the serious insistence from them of Him being real and therefore affecting physical responses in them?
Well, they's them's and I'm me's.
I happpen to believe that there is a GOD. By definition, that GOD is something that has certain characteristics. IMHO, among those are that he created the rules that govern what has happened at the most basic level. Since all that we can see and measure (including ourselves and the very universe we have descerned) are merely the products of those basic rules, we cannot see beyond that point where those rules first came into existence.
I do think that there may well be miracles that we can point to, but they are few and usually unmentioned. One such example is Bread. But I do not see GOD molding the universe as he sees fit. At the most, as in the case of Bread, he may on occasion give it a nudge.
Nudge...nudge...eh?

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 13 of 32 (121995)
07-05-2004 2:02 AM
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07-05-2004 1:45 AM


Re: JMHO & YMMV
We've been over that and I doubt you'll like my answers any more this time than last time or the time before.
To create the "rules" {whatever those are!} what means would He use to implement them?
Well, we are still learning the rules. Natural Selection is one. Evolution is another. As we learn more we get a better glimpse of what the rules are. One hundred fifty years ago I would have said it was gravity, light and electromagnitism. Seventy years ago I would have added the Strong and Weak Nuclear forces. General Relativity appeared to be one.
Who knows, as we learn more about the rules, IMHO, we will simply find that the finger of GOD wrote with a finer hand than we ever imagined. My bet is that as we learn more about Strings and Branes we will find that they are still but gross representations of what HE wrote.
And I don't know what means HE used to implement them. HE thought them is as good at the moment as anything else.
As a belief in God must in some sense arouse in you an impression of His existence I am asking you to explain how the {bbodily(sic) sensation of the impression is instilled within yourself without physical means being implemented by God?
My Impression of GOD is simply that. It is internal and no more instilled in me by outside force than any other idea, knowledge or belief. It is the result of observation and reason.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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From: Texas!!
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Message 29 of 32 (138400)
08-31-2004 10:24 AM
Reply to: Message 28 by StuMan77
08-31-2004 3:54 AM


Re: Different Concept
A great travel song that should be familar to all.
"We're here
because we're here
because we're here
because we're here.
We're here
because we're here
because we're here
because we're here."

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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