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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 444 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
First, it would take something bigger than Jupiter and a whole bunch closer than Jupiter to have any measurable effect on the earth's rotation.
REally? You mean an object the size of Texas traveling with enough kenetic energy wouldn't have an affect on the earths rotation if hit in the right spot?
So yes. I can say, even with my limited knowledge, that there is nothing out there close enough to be a threat to stop the rotation of the earth.
No you can't jar. You just don't know or understand the physics involved, or the possibilities.
Wrong. It did not come inside the moon's orbit. But even if it had hit the earth, it would be unlikely to end life. Afterall, we have been through that before. It might well end the human phase and leave the world to the next species, but it is unlikely to end life.
Correct and incorrect.I corrected my distance, and if it ended human life, wouldn't that be enough? I never meant anything more than life as in our life.
Second, we would have had many months of warning if not years of warning before something like that happened. And it is not a given that we can do nothing about it. It is reason though to get some of the eggs out of the basket.
Not true. We only search for things that are in our orbital plane of the solar system. Thats all we are capable for right now. So an object could come from another solar system and blind side us. Also, there is no guarantees on our on going search that we would fins anything coming at us. Something could come from the other side of the sun, and we would not be able to see it coming. So you tell me, what are the odds of us getting hit?
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 444 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
Which proves.........you guessed it, nothing.
This is my point, since you can't prove anything, then it all requires an element of faith.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 444 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
Tell me, think there is any truth to Murphy's law?
Just because the odds are a trillion to one, what are the odds that the one may happen this year?
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
REally? You mean an object the size of Texas traveling with enough kenetic energy wouldn't have an affect on the earths rotation if hit in the right spot? Yup.
So an object could come from another solar system and blind side us. Do you have any idea where the next solar system is? But what do any of these things have to do the topic? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Melchior Inactive Member |
Look. Do a google search on 'au in miles' and google will provide a number of 93 million miles.
Then do a search on 'nasa au' and you'll find that Nasa's website gives a number of 93 million miles. I didn't say 100 times, I said 40, and I stand by that statement. I don't think it was close enough to be a concern. I know that with the advent of accurate astrological equipment, people realize that there is a lot of things out there whirling around like mad. I do not think that we should be scared by this in any way. We do know that large objects can hit the earth, but it's not like this happens often.
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happy_atheist Member (Idle past 4942 days) Posts: 326 Joined: |
no faith needed at all because I don't say that the sun will definately rise (still speaking figuratively here! ). All I say is that it is much more likely to rise than not rise, and that statement is perfectly true. No faith whatsoever involved anyhwere in my reasoning, unless you think probability theory is faith
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happy_atheist Member (Idle past 4942 days) Posts: 326 Joined: |
quote:no, I don't believe there is any truth to murphys law. I just think we selectively remember when things go wrong more than when things go right. There is nothing memorable about a day when things go right for us, but if we have a particularly bad day and some things go wrong we'll be going on about it for ages. quote:If the odds are a trillion to one then the odds of it happening this year are a trillion to one.
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happy_atheist Member (Idle past 4942 days) Posts: 326 Joined: |
quote: Actually I think you're the one missunderstanding here. Jar is very clearly talking about the tidal effects of a large body on rotation. For example, the earth has slowed the moons rotation to such a degree that it is tidally locked with us (it only ever shows one face to us). Now Jar was saying that for something moving close to us to have ANY noticable effect on our rotation then it would have to be quite massive indeed. The sun is huge, and we're pretty close to it, yet it has no noticable effect on our rotation. It simply makes high tides slightly higher or slightly lower depending on it's alignment with the moon. Jupiter is huge too, but has no effect on us at all tidally. Something moving close to us could theoretically effect our rotation, but it would have to be huge to do anything noticable in the brief time it was near us. That kind of object would not sneak up on us. Therefore since a near miss is much more likely than a direct hit, it is certainly extremely unlikely that anything out there will alter our rotation (ignoring the moon, which is already slowing us down). A direct hit would certainly not stop the rotation relative to the sun though, so it wouldn't stop the sun rising anyway
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 444 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
REally? You mean an object the size of Texas traveling with enough kenetic energy wouldn't have an affect on the earths rotation if hit in the right spot? Yup.
Well you are wrong.
But what do any of these things have to do the topic?
Because you have FAITH that none of these things will happen.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 444 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
Listen according to the information you gave me, its not 40 times, you need to go have your work checked.
1 au is indeed 93 million miles.0.10 AU =930,000 miles. The Moon is 250,000 miles away, x40 =10 million.Big difference between 930,000 and 10 million. It's still just a stones throw away.The other part is that it passed almost directly overhead. So even though it missed us vertically, it hit us horizontally, relativly speaking. You didn't answer my question, just what are the odds? I will accept any number you tell me for purpose of this discussion.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 444 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
You base your faith on the odds, period.
I am not saying this is good or bad but it is true.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 444 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
You base your faith on the odds, period.
I am not saying this is good or bad but it is true.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 444 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
no, I don't believe there is any truth to murphys law.
Please try to convince all the insurance company's of this nation that same thought, and maybe our insurance will go down.
If the odds are a trillion to one then the odds of it happening this year are a trillion to one.
That is wrong, if it happens this year, then the odds are one to one.Just because we are ignorant about what goes into making up odds, doesn't mean that it is a trillion to one, or one to one. But since we really don't know what would make these odds, then we put faith in what we believe are safe odds. Then we put hope that it won't happen to us, which is, by the way, blind faith.
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nator Member (Idle past 2198 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: OK, Riverrat. Go to the nearest highway overpass, and dive off head first. The odds are very good, although not 100%, that you will hit the pavement, crush your skull, and die. If "the results will change, no matter what the odds," then you must therefore believe that your odds of floating down to the ground unharmed are just the same as hitting the ground and dying. What kind of silliness is that?
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happy_atheist Member (Idle past 4942 days) Posts: 326 Joined: |
but the whole point is that I don't have "faith" because I don't say that something is definately going to happen. I don't say "the sun is more likely to rise tomorrow than not rise tomorrow, therefore it definately will rise tomorrow". That would be faith.
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