Bird Evolution

Another ill informed argument from incredulity. Just because you cannot imagine how such a system could have evolved, you have to devise some other mechanism that is even more complex than evolution ... evolution with a hand-maid.fyi -- it is birds from dinosaurs, with the latest information being that the dinosaurs were warm-blooded. There are other similarities in the bone structure and the skull that put birds closer to dinosaurs than to reptiles.There are many articles on the possible development of flight, and I suggest you at least read these before jumping off a tree and falling flat on your face.This sounds like typical "all-at-once" erroneous thinking typical of creationists. I also suggest that you wean yourself from creationist thinking if you are going to pursue ID because they are ultimately incompatible.enjoy.ps -- I know why creationist types shy away from gradual evolution of features and characteristics "creating the various CREATures that we see."

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there are actually many examples of different solutions to the question of flightsmall spiders extrude a silk thread into the wind until they are lifted off to float on the windsome species of the "walking stick" family have evolved flight wings, lost them and evolved them again.bats, squirrels, snakes, birds, insects, arachnids, elphants (no wait ... that doesn't happen until after the next election ... ) ...the sheer diversity of solutions says that many are possible so the "probability" of developing a working one is high.wings are also similar to flippers -- see how a penquin and the flightless cormorant fly.it's all good.enjoy(ps -- the snake is in the constrictor family -- it's not always to get away )

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actually there is a "flying frog" as well - with another different adaptation to the problem of "it's not the fall that kills you, it's the sudden stop at the end" Another score for adaptability and enhanced characteristics by selection over time. (that's evolution for those who don't get it ){added}ps -- this is Wallace country and this frog is also known as "Wallace's Flying Frog"
http://www.ecologyasia.com/...ates/wallace's_flying_frog.htmEnjoy.This message has been edited by RAZD, 09-03-2004 10:58 PM

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Hey Andy! Every time?I think that argument can be made where existing limbs have evolved into wings with fair confidence, but I would still hold off on exclusivity.The discovery of four-winged dinosaurs shows that the glider path may be one of the solutions (see Error).But the demonstrated advantage of young grouse to climb trees using wings to augment their legs before they are developed enough for flight shows a "ground up" advantage (see CNN.com - Dinosaurs' flapping led to flight? - Jan. 18, 2003): And the use of winglike structures by stoneflies to skim on the surface of water but not to fly also demonstrate a possible path of development for insects where wings did not develop from existing limb structures (see http://www.rps.psu.edu/student/marden.html}: The article has a links that can get you eventually to Jim Marden’s website as well as links directly to videos of this process. You can find out more about Jim from http://www.bio.psu.edu/People/Faculty/Marden/index.htmlPersonally I think the diversity of flight mechanism show that a diversity of paths to develop flight is just as possible as the diversity of paths for development of the eye.Enjoy.

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