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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
Plus Murphy's law.
I know its not a technical term, but they do use it, I know a few people in the industry. If it can happen it will, they have learn this through the scientific method of objective observation. In other words, if the odds are 100 to 1 that something could happen within a given year, they would look at it and say its more likely that the odds will get beaten, and we will lose, so lets bump up the premiums to cover, just in case.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
I pretty much understood all that already.
But what you described to me happened in an individual. So the individual started it, and then a population came from it. The way schraff explains it, one would think that the population as a whole would evolve at the same time. To me it is possible that once mutated, the individuals offspring can then make a new population, not that the whole population would evolve identical to one another. This is how I understand it. So if this is true all DNA from a given population can be traced back to one individual. Do have this right? Thanks for your time.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
Oh one other question. I'm sure you know about the bacteria in the petri dish evolving experiment. It seemed to me the way it was explained, that they evoloved on the spot, after the were developed, by exposing them to an attacking bacteria, and not during the development stage. The offspring did carry on the mutation.
I'm guessing the evolution between bacteria and humans is very different. Why is that, other than the obvious differences between humans and bacteria?
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
Quick qestion, so do we really know if mutations can stand the test of time? Is this proven? Other than the evidence of the fossil record, which shows changes in species that can easily be reconized as steps of evolution.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
RNA are the building blocks of DNA, a blueprint more or less?
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
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And thanks for all your time, but I pretty much understood all that already. Its when people start telling me that I don't know whats going on, then I start asking questions like the ones I asked you to make sure I do really understand.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
Hey, I know your young, but keep what I said in mind, and observe for the next 20 or so years. You might change your mind.
I understand what odds are supposed to be, but it doesn't always work out that way, which leads me to a deeper way of thinking about configuring odds.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
I am still learning, but for starters, and this doesn't mean I do not accept evolution, or accept creation.
Gaps in evolution, but now they say thats predicted, what a way out. Bacteria flagellum, and how complex it is for such a simple form of life. Also how compelling it ressembles an electric motor designed by man.Carbon dating, which gets less accurate the further you go back. Also I just heard about evidence that supports a rapid cooling of the earth, like a day or so. Had to do with a radioisotope found in rock that shouldn't be there had the rock cooled over a long period of time. Also, just because we mutate, does that mean we actually become another species? Or just a different form of our former selves. At what point to we grow feathers out of a natural selection need, or mutation? What determines that a feather would grow out of the body of any creature, because in has the need to fly? Sounds like designed evolution to me, or something else. RNA templates, and the blueprint for life. The cambrian explosion. Those are just a few that raise questions in me.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
Ok, I get it, but. How did it mutate? Out of neccesity? Or out of design? Obviously there is some kind of defense mechanism designed into bacteria. Built in surviveabilty. Plus that fact that not all of them mutated means something also. It might have to do with it, or by design, bacteria cannot defend itself completely otherwise it would be to strong and not balance out with the rest of nature.
Sidebar: I only say designed to make the conversation interesting, don't take me so literally. I am not dead set on that word, designed.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
Yes yes, I agree with all that, but a question.
What God have you determined to be the one you believe in. Or if you don't have name, whats your description of God, and why do you not believe in any revealed religion? You are also saying your sister is ignoring all that because she probably fears that if she accepts it, then she will have to give up her religion, because the 2 are conflicting. This has been my arguement all along. I now feel as though we were created because I feel God spoke to me clearly and told me that. How it happened I do not know. But I can bet that most creationalist really don't care since God already told them. It was all the evolutionists that started complaining and saying and saying if you expect me to believe in God, then prove I was created. So yes creation science was then forced to appear, and it goes about its science trying to prove a theory about being created. I see that as no different than science trying to prove evolution all the time. Even though you say it is not, because that is not the scientific method. I hope that is true. Having said all that, we may in the future find something out that could possibly can the whole ToE, and where will that leave many people? I know a lot of people in this forum won't agree with this, but I can bet you that if creation was proven, alot of athiest would come to know God. To deny this is to deny the truth. So just what is your God if you don't mind me asking, I am very curious.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
All that happens is that a mutation occurs that purely by chance gives it some level of resistance to the phage without killing the bacteria in some other way.
Hold the phone, you think this is random? Is that 100% proven?I don't see that as being random. I just find it so hard to believe that a species can randomly mutate into something that has a better survivabilty rate by chance. then the mutations are successful, and hold out through natural selection. It's like opps! I mutated, and just by chance, of all the possible combinations of mutations, this one is going to help me survive. because the enviroment around me has changed, so now I need to change to keep up, and a random mutation is going to keep my species alive. How could it possibly be random?Don't you think for one second, that something else might be going on there? And that we can't see everything yet? I am really enjoying this thread, and this conversation. Sometimes when you hear things put to you differently it sparks a new way of looking at something.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
Thanks.
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