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Author Topic:   George W. Bush's qualifications to be President
nator
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Message 241 of 247 (141927)
09-12-2004 11:38 PM
Reply to: Message 221 by johnfolton
09-12-2004 1:59 PM


Whatever, yet again you go on and on about BUSINESS taxes.
I am NOT talking about BUSINESS taxes.
I am talking about PERSONAL INCOME TAXES.
PERSONAL, PERSONAL, PERSONAL, PERSONAL, PERSONAL.
Since you did not answer my question, I will ask it again:
Whatever, do you not mind that Bush raised your share of the tax burden through personal income taxes while Bush lowered the rich's share of the tax burden through personal income taxes?
Yea or no?
Please don't force me to clutter up the thread with 7 or 8 requests for you to answer this.

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crashfrog
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Message 242 of 247 (141929)
09-12-2004 11:43 PM
Reply to: Message 221 by johnfolton
09-12-2004 1:59 PM


The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
Right, that's exactly it. That's where it says women have the right to have abortions.

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johnfolton 
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Message 243 of 247 (141937)
09-13-2004 12:41 AM
Reply to: Message 240 by crashfrog
09-12-2004 10:30 PM


Crash,
What about their religious beliefs? The ones that say that it's ok for a gay man to be a member of the clergy or a Boy Scout leader?
You forget that Thomas Jefferson belief to protect religion from religion, so this protects the religion from the gay agenda that would force the issue of discrimination, the laws protect religion from the state, meaning no laws should ever be made that force believers to break the laws of the land, because they conflict with their religion, they shouldn't conflict, this is what the freedom of religion, from religion and from the infidel is all about. The infidel is not allowed to beable to force their filthy lifestyle upon the churches, if they want to live filthy lifestyles, the church is obligated by scripture to not sanctify it, etc...
P.S. One can only praise GWB for his clear thinking on pressing forward the sanctity protection of marriage, between one man and one woman, because it preserves the protection of religion from the religion of the infidel, the Bill of Rights should not be extended to the infidel, because it doesn't include the infidel, the virginia state constitution made this leap of faith, but thats not the US constitution, so the infidel really shouldn't have any rights at all, this filthy lifestyle was not legal all that long ago, but since the bible says to let the filthy be filthy still, but that doesn't mean they should beable to force the churches to present it as if it is normal, the churches have the right of freedom of religious expression, which includes the right to discriminate based off their religion, as the boyscouts were allowed to discriminate against gay camp directors taking junior camping, etc...Like this borders on Michael Jackson, sleeping with little boys, some countries lowered the age of consent to 12 years old, the churches should be allowed to protect their own, from pediphiles, Homosexuals, etc...When the Catholic church had this problem the people were outraged the pediphile homosexual problem of only a few priest, its obvious the people don't want even one, Pediphile homosexual deviants in the church, the people have spoken, but activist judges keep pressing this issue, to force their will on the people, and not respecting the will of the people, and keep pressing the issue of pressing this conflict to attack the freedom protections of religion within the constitution, etc...
http://www.sodomylaws.org/sensibilities/washington.htm

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johnfolton 
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Message 244 of 247 (141938)
09-13-2004 12:43 AM
Reply to: Message 241 by nator
09-12-2004 11:38 PM


No

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crashfrog
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Message 245 of 247 (141940)
09-13-2004 12:58 AM
Reply to: Message 243 by johnfolton
09-13-2004 12:41 AM


meaning no laws should ever be made that force believers to break the laws of the land, because they conflict with their religion
Right. Nobody's going to make you have gay sex. Your freedom of religion is protected. We covered that.
You don't have a right to the rest of the stuff, though. You don't have a right to keep other people from practicing their beliefs simply because they conflict with your own.
The infidel is not allowed to beable to force their filthy lifestyle upon the churches
Nobody's forcing it on the churches. Churches don't have to marry anyone they don't want to.
But the government, which is not a church, has to marry everybody that asks. The Constitution couldn't be clearer on that.
the church is obligated by scripture to not sanctify it, etc...
Who gives a fuck what the church sanctifies? We're talking about what the government allows. Two different things.

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johnfolton 
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Message 246 of 247 (141941)
09-13-2004 1:00 AM
Reply to: Message 242 by crashfrog
09-12-2004 11:43 PM


Crash,
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
I doubt I could go kick a pregnant mother, killing her baby without the courts siding against me(would it be murder), like get real, the baby has rights, so basically your denying the rights of the baby over the rights of the mother, but the amendment says certain rights shall not be constred to deny or disparge other rights retained by the people. I can read this to say that the state can not deny the womans right to have this baby, or to deny the baby's rights, but I don't see it to say the that the womans rights is greater than the right of the baby, etc...
P.S. This is exactly how the liberals are twisting the law to mean the opposite of what it in fact says, etc...

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Message 247 of 247 (141942)
09-13-2004 1:03 AM
Reply to: Message 228 by johnfolton
09-12-2004 6:40 PM


Whatever seems unable to keep any real contact with the theme of the topic
This topic is a mess - Going to close it down.
Whatever, this is an oficial warning. Keep to the theme of the topic, or you are liable to get suspended.
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