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Author Topic:   If being Christian is so great, why is the music so bad?
Mister Pamboli
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Message 16 of 99 (7598)
03-22-2002 12:48 AM
Reply to: Message 13 by nator
03-21-2002 7:56 AM


quote:
Originally posted by schrafinator:
I think it should also be mentioned that a great many of the famous "classical" composers who wrote requiems and passions and other religious works were commissioned to do so by rich patrons. Many great European composers (and painters, for that matter) dealt with religious themes because that's where the money was.
Hmmm don't like that argument. It's like saying Sagan, Dawkins, Gould et al were in it for the money and the fame.
Of course there was good money in it - but that doesn't mean there was not also great inspiration. The same applies today - there are very fine musicians indeed, and artists, who make fortunes, but their commitment to their art, as art, need not be lesser for it.

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nator
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Message 17 of 99 (7685)
03-23-2002 7:32 AM
Reply to: Message 16 by Mister Pamboli
03-22-2002 12:48 AM


[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mister Pamboli:
[b] [QUOTE]Originally posted by schrafinator:
[b]I think it should also be mentioned that a great many of the famous "classical" composers who wrote requiems and passions and other religious works were commissioned to do so by rich patrons. Many great European composers (and painters, for that matter) dealt with religious themes because that's where the money was.
Hmmm don't like that argument. It's like saying Sagan, Dawkins, Gould et al were in it for the money and the fame.[/QUOTE]
I'm not speculating why people are "in it". I am saying that the direction their work took was sometimes dictated by what their patrons commissioned.
University scientists (once tenured) do not work on commissions and they explore what they wish, more or less. Look at John Mack.
Of course there was good money in it - but that doesn't mean there was not also great inspiration. The same applies today - there are very fine musicians indeed, and artists, who make fortunes, but their commitment to their art, as art, need not be lesser for it.
[/b][/QUOTE]

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jhmyself
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Message 18 of 99 (7693)
03-23-2002 4:37 PM
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03-23-2002 7:32 AM


Getting back to the origional topic:
"Why is christian music so bad?"
Bah. If the only examples you've ever heard in your life for good christian music made recently is Amy Grant, you haven't heard good christian music made recently. Sadly, though, I've found that this kind of music is often hard to find, but it can be done. Check out www.RadioU.com, a station in columbus that plays alternative christian music. I think there's some great songs on MP3.com from groups such as the O.C. Supertones, Knowdaverbs, Cross Movement, and Out Of Eden.

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nator
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Message 19 of 99 (7699)
03-24-2002 7:32 AM
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03-23-2002 4:37 PM


quote:
Originally posted by jhmyself:
Getting back to the origional topic:
"Why is christian music so bad?"
Bah. If the only examples you've ever heard in your life for good christian music made recently is Amy Grant, you haven't heard good christian music made recently. Sadly, though, I've found that this kind of music is often hard to find, but it can be done. Check out www.RadioU.com, a station in columbus that plays alternative christian music. I think there's some great songs on MP3.com from groups such as the O.C. Supertones, Knowdaverbs, Cross Movement, and Out Of Eden.

Thanks, jh, I'll check it out.
Still, the greater question remains; if being a Christian is so wonderful, why is it so difficult to find good Christian music?

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Minnemooseus
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Message 20 of 99 (7718)
03-24-2002 1:57 PM
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03-24-2002 7:32 AM


Got the extra comma out of the end of the link, so it will work.
www.RadioU.com
Moose
ps: Any comments on the Residents: Wormwood "allmusic.com" link content, that I posted in an earlier message?
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jhmyself
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Message 21 of 99 (7727)
03-24-2002 2:51 PM
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03-24-2002 1:57 PM


quote:
Originally posted by minnemooseus:
ps: Any comments on the Residents: Wormwood "allmusic.com" link content, that I posted in an earlier message?

I haven't heard much of their music before, but it looks kind of interesting. Thanks for fixing the link.

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Metalpunk57
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Message 22 of 99 (11613)
06-14-2002 6:11 PM


This is Metalpunk37 but something got messed up so I had to make a new one.
If you are looking for some good not mainstream, boring, christian Music then I suggest Living Sacrifice, who sounds like Fear Factory or Slipknot, and Hangnail- a punk rock band who sounds like New Found Glory.
http://www.mp3.com/hangnailmusic
www.mp3.com/living-sacrifice

     
Jonathan
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Message 23 of 99 (14093)
07-25-2002 12:16 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by nator
03-16-2002 6:18 PM


quote:
Originally posted by schrafinator:
I am interested in what Christians have to say about this.
Why is so much of Christian music so bland and pablum-like?

Evolutionist music to too great either. Did you see the post "living in an Amish (creationist) paradise"?
Ill take Christian music anyday.

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nator
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Message 24 of 99 (14104)
07-25-2002 1:28 AM
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07-25-2002 12:16 AM


quote:
Originally posted by Jonathan:
Evolutionist music to too great either. Did you see the post "living in an Amish (creationist) paradise"?
Ill take Christian music anyday.

What, pray tell, do you consider "Evolutionist music??"

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John
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Message 25 of 99 (14132)
07-25-2002 9:11 AM
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07-25-2002 1:28 AM


quote:
Originally posted by schrafinator:

What, pray tell, do you consider "Evolutionist music??"

The Toadies --- I come from the water (a personal favorite)
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Jonathan
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Message 26 of 99 (14148)
07-25-2002 11:33 AM
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07-25-2002 1:28 AM


quote:
Originally posted by schrafinator:

What, pray tell, do you consider "Evolutionist music??"

http://www.evcforum.net/cgi-bin/dm.cgi?action=page&f=1&t=13&p=17

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nator
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Message 27 of 99 (14156)
07-25-2002 7:52 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by Jonathan
07-25-2002 12:16 AM


quote:
Originally posted by Jonathan:
Evolutionist music to too great either. Did you see the post "living in an Amish (creationist) paradise"?
Ill take Christian music anyday.

Um, riiiight.

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Jonathan
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Message 28 of 99 (14170)
07-25-2002 9:31 PM
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07-25-2002 7:52 PM


I think we all know who has plenty of time on their hands.

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nator
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From: Ann Arbor
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Message 29 of 99 (14202)
07-26-2002 10:07 AM
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07-25-2002 9:31 PM


Say, Jonathan, howsabout that thread dealing with reproductive advantage that you abandoned?
There are lots of questions and comments waiting for you.

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justdana
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Message 30 of 99 (15866)
08-21-2002 7:13 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by Minnemooseus
03-22-2002 12:47 AM


Please investigate before complaining. Contemporary Christian music is so much more varied than one would suspect. If you know nothing about Christian artists just say so. It's not fair to imply there are no African American Christian artists out there when you don't even listen to them. Nicole C. Mullins is spectacular songwriter whose songs on could never forget. Fred Hammond is a great tenor singer who matches Brian McKnight and Barry White, sans the love-making innuendos. It's just a matter of opinion on what you think is bland and lifeless. If you think Garbage, Nine Inch Nails, Cibo Matto and Tori Amos have life, then maybe you cannot get into most Christian music. Try listening to some Jars of Clay, Rebcca St. James, Sara Groves or Sean Groves and give me a ring on what you think of their lyrics and melodies. Maybe then I can get a feel on what you actually think is wrong with Christian music.

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