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joshua221 
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Message 16 of 256 (142196)
09-13-2004 9:58 PM
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09-12-2004 8:30 PM


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What lab did the analysis of the alleged rivet?
quote:
Galbraith Labs in Knoxville, Tennessee tested samples taken from within the "formation' and from without.
quote:
Richard Rives, having become acquainted with an international corporation which specialized in metallurgy, made arrangements for the "rivet" to be analyzed in their laboratory.
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How the hell did Noah get Titanium? During the Bronze age?
quote:
All of the analyses performed on the "Rivet" found it to contain Iron, Aluminum, Manganese, Vanadium and Chromium. These elements are known today to be the major alloying agents added to titanium.
It says the major alloying agents added to titanium.
Am I right?

"Wake up, O sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you."
Ephesians 5:14

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jar
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Message 17 of 256 (142202)
09-13-2004 10:05 PM
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09-13-2004 9:58 PM


When you see some of those names, run, don't walk, to the nearest exit.
Richard Rives, having become acquainted with an international corporation which specialized in metallurgy, made arrangements for the "rivet" to be analyzed in their laboratory.
The guy is a nutcase. Check out his improved microscope.
Note that they don't say who did the analysis. They implie that it was Galbraith Labs in Knoxville, Tennessee but there is nothing connecting the results with anything and the sample has gone missing.
It's classic Ron Wyatt and crew. They are liars and con men. One hundred years ago they wouold have been selling snake oil from the back of a wagon and holding revivals on the weekends.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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joshua221 
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Message 18 of 256 (142210)
09-13-2004 10:12 PM
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09-13-2004 10:05 PM


Maybe this still isn't enough for me, the sceptics can say what they want but I think maybe this guy isn't a "con-man", liar or cheat. Maybe he is valid, maybe I'm not the one missing something. I don't know, I haven't talked to him, seen him (before the site), or known of past experiences where he had supposedly lied...

"Wake up, O sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you."
Ephesians 5:14

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Coragyps
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Message 19 of 256 (142212)
09-13-2004 10:14 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by joshua221
09-13-2004 9:58 PM


Titanium is also a terrifically difficult metal to extract from the ore or to work into finished forms. Maybe Noah found some discarded high-tech golf clubs to rework into rivets?

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jar
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Message 20 of 256 (142219)
09-13-2004 10:22 PM
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09-13-2004 10:12 PM


Well, spend some time at the site. If you can honestly look at his evidence and not come away laughing your ass off, then fine. Come back and say YOU believe and that will be accepted. Ask us to believe and we'll laugh OUR asses off.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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joshua221 
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Message 21 of 256 (142224)
09-13-2004 10:28 PM
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09-13-2004 10:22 PM


Not about to take a road trip to turkey lol.
Maybe this summer, I'll be driving then >

"Wake up, O sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you."
Ephesians 5:14

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BONES
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Message 22 of 256 (142480)
09-15-2004 12:32 AM


Consider this:
Noah took two of every animal into his boat. The number of land species on earth is roughly 18,000,000 according to the World Resources Institute and National Geographic. Now add to that the number of freshwater animals. The supplies required for all of these animals and the containers for them would be enormous. Nearly all of the animals would have to be separated or they might eat each other. In addition, we know that in order for a species to survive it must reproduce and if one of the two creatures dies then the species will become extinct. Taking the numbers from the slave trade, where often 50% of the Africans did not survive, the number of animals present must have been close to 50,000,000 (that includes doubling the species (2 of each), adding the freshwater and being generous on the number which would die on the trip). Separate containers, along with provisions and a HUGE abundance of fresh water for drinking and for the fresh water animals would have weighed an enormous amount that no tanker even today made of METAL could withstand.
The ark was made of wood. . . . or was it
My guess is that Noah didn't just have one ark, but about 5 million metal Arks ?
.............or then again mabye, just maybe Noah never had an Ark ?

Homer: Hey, Flanders,
heading for church? Well, I
thought I
could save you a little time.
Ned: Oooh, found a new
shortcut.
Homer: Better. I was
working on a flat tax
proposal and I
accidentally proved there's
no God. [shows Flanders a
sheet of paper with
complex figuring on it]
Ned: [flustered] We'll just
see about that. [reads the
paper]
Uh-oh. Well, maybe he
made a mistake. [checks it
again]
Nope, it's airtight. Can't let
this little doozy get out.
[uses a lighter to burn the
"proof"]
[in the background, Homer
puts more copies of his no-
God
paper on the windshields
of nearby cars]

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Rrhain
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Message 23 of 256 (142484)
09-15-2004 3:07 AM
Reply to: Message 14 by joshua221
09-13-2004 9:44 PM


prophex once again avoids a direct question:
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Where is the ark?
The source showed timber framings of some sort, I'm pretty sure.
Non sequitur.
I didn't ask you what. I asked you WHERE.
[I][B]WHERE IS THE ARK?[/i][/b]
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Mainly because I wasn't at the site.
Then why do you trust your source? If nobody has managed to bring it down from wherever it is and put it in a controlled environment for study and analysis, what on earth makes you think that it's what you claim it is?
quote:
quote:
You provided a source without having any concept of its usefulness? You make a claim and you have no faith in the validity of your supporting documentation?
Usefulness isn't what I was talking about, truth is what I was referring to.
(*blink!*)
You did not just say that, did you?
The truth isn't useful?
quote:
quote:
Where is the ark?
Stop playing gotcha!
It isn't a gotcha question. I really want to know. If we found it, where is it? There are untold numbers of people who are willing to help in its excavation, catalog, study, and exhibition.
Where is it?

Rrhain
WWJD? JWRTFM!

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Nighttrain
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Message 24 of 256 (142495)
09-15-2004 7:14 AM
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09-15-2004 12:32 AM


Hey,Kiwi,doncherknow Noah only took 'kinds'. A pair of two-legged, a pair of four-legged. two birdies, two of them fishy thingoes,etc. You can track the transitional forms from Ararat all the way to their new homes wherever. Bones like you wouldn`t believe. All laid out in sequence.
Btw, love your Homer X-ray.

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portmaster1000
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Message 25 of 256 (142512)
09-15-2004 10:23 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Rrhain
09-12-2004 2:54 PM


In the News
Found this article today about Turkey rejecting the planned expedition for the Ark.
Turkey denies Honolulu man’s bid to find Ark
I wonder why Lysimachus is so certain even before such a critical piece of evidence gathering has taken place.
thanx
PM1K

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contracycle
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Message 26 of 256 (142517)
09-15-2004 11:19 AM


404 Not Found
This is the picture of the alleged ark. It's meant to be in the red circle; I do not know what the blue arrows are meant to indicate.
See also here for original article:
404

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jar
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Message 27 of 256 (142518)
09-15-2004 11:26 AM
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09-15-2004 11:19 AM


The section in the red circle is alleged to be an exposed part of the structure of the ark itself while the blue lines are alleged to be the outline of the boat. Because it's curved they believe it outlines one of the side structures.
It's been an issue since the photos were released in the late 70's IIRC. But it simply looks like a rocky outcrop and a ridge line to many.

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jar
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Message 28 of 256 (142519)
09-15-2004 11:26 AM
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09-15-2004 11:19 AM


For Percy
This is a double post. First time around I got an internal server error. I used the back button tried to resubmit and then found the earlier attempt had succeeded.
This message has been edited by jar, 09-15-2004 10:28 AM

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PaulK
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Message 29 of 256 (142523)
09-15-2004 11:46 AM
Reply to: Message 16 by joshua221
09-13-2004 9:58 PM


Here's a question for you
If:
quote:
All of the analyses performed on the "Rivet" found it to contain Iron, Aluminum, Manganese, Vanadium and Chromium. These elements are known today to be the major alloying agents added to titanium.
Why does the analysis reported not mention Vanadium AT ALL and report "<0.1%" Chromium (which may well mean "too little to measure").
Why is there so much more Iron and Aluminium than Titanium ? (>8% Fe and Al <2% Ti).
Come to that, why does the supposed "petrified wood" seem to contain more Titanium (~1.9%) than the supposed remains of a Titanium-alloy washer (~1.6%) ?
And why isn't there less Fe, Al, Mn OR Cr in the "petrified wood" ?
Surely the remains of a metal washer should contain more of the metal (even in oxide form) than the surrounding wood.

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jar
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Message 30 of 256 (142605)
09-15-2004 7:33 PM
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09-15-2004 11:46 AM


The story from Ron's site is even better.
When an object undergoes the process of fossilization, as its material decays it is replaced by material in the surrounding soil or water. The analysis revealed exactly what would be expected to be found in a fossilized metal washer and rivet (non-living matter) attached to a piece of fossilized wood (once living matter).
Note:
The discovery of titanium in the "Rivet" is of special interest. The advantage of titanium as a metal is its tremendous strength, its light weight and its resistance to corrosion.
All of the analyses performed on the "Rivet" found it to contain Iron, Aluminum, Manganese, Vanadium and Chromium. These elements are known today to be the major alloying agents added to titanium.
Note that they found fossilized metal.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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