Now we are getting somewhere. The geological processes being discussed that pertain to the Hawaiian Islands stretch back about 700,000 years for the Big Island. Since there are a number of past shorelines, at least the Big Island is still growing, and since shorelines are not symmetrical in, say, CA, there must be a second component not having to do with sea level at work in the Hawaiian Islands. The time scale is long compared to the proposed 6,000 year old Noah Flood. The glaciers have phased 4 times in the past 160,000 years. Here is an informative link.
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Ocean islands only have their elevation due to the uplift of the hot magma beneath them. During low ocean volumes, the area of hot magma spreads out over a larger area, which lowers the height of the center below the island.
, then there should be a model that could show this. Hydrostatics and hydrodynamics are very advanced. In Greenland, there is a spot in the middle where the ice is 3410m thick and the elevation is 3270m. This means the weight of the ice has depressed the land by being directly on top of it. We don't know the original elevation, so can only predict the amount of depression. It is probably not 1:1. I would join you except for one matter. The weight of the water in comparison to the weight of the island seem cruxial. If a hundred feet change in the level of the ocean is enough to trigger an up/down movement, the system seems unusually sensitive. There must be a second phenomenon correlated with this. Perhaps the hotspot pressure phases, as well. I didn't see this in any references. Maybe what you are proposing, in connection with earthquake and oil drilling data could expose this phasing. Who knows, maybe that analysis would yield the missing link for predicting earthquakes! Finally, ocean currents can raise the sea level where land forces a change in course. If the land appears faster than the current can change direction, it could be spectacular. Finally, there is a note on the Greenland map in the National Geographic Atlas that if Greenland's and Antarctica's ice all melted, sea level would go up 6m. This is not a biblical number for 97% of the World's remaining ice over land.
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The hyaloclastite nature of the activity also indicates this activity occurred when the islands were more deeply submerged then they are today
, a quick investigation shows that type of rock formation forms with quick quenching under a selected range of water pressure. It seems to me that hyaloclastites form during island building, the seamount stage, not during island sitting. Otherwise there would be old "pillow" rocks as on the Columbia Plateau.
Summary. Beaches must form in only a few thousand years. There is time for the Hawaiian Islands to teeter-totter during their occupation by people. If it happened there, it could happen at other hotspots. I am afraid this unintentionally opens the door for Herodotus' story of Atlantis. Oops.
On the Yonaguni structures:
300 Multiple Choiceshttp://www.eaglesdisobey.com/UnderwaterRuins.htmI like this guys multidisciplinary analysis. He makes the point that the last time there was a temperature as high as today's was 130,000 years ago. As that temperature fell once more to lower levels, the glaciers rebuilt and we had the phasing. Essentially, there were 100,000 years where now-flooded coastal plains were habitable.
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http://www.morien-institute.org/yonaguni.html is yet another separate view. I somehow can't find my direct link to the page of the Japanese professor who is single-handedly pursuing the investigation. It really is offensive that western mainstrean archeologists and anthropologists are not helping him. I hope someone is keeping tally so people have accountability for their words and actions.
Last on Yonaguni. It is very near Taiwan. The depth of the East China Sea maxes at about 300 feet. No kidding, it was a low-lying coastal plain for most of the 100,000 years before 15,000 years ago. Maybe it was like the piedmont on our East Coast. If so, it would be replete with archeology. Why hasn't there been any news about the structures found on Taiwan? What about looking for more structures underwater around Taiwan in the former coastal plain that encompases yonaguni?
I know the dinosaurs went extinct, but I wanted to dangle some bait. I would like to post a response to the person who said it asking him for chapter and verse. I have read the Bible, too, and have several versions available to me. No dinosaurs. Let's see what he says.
Here is a thought. The dinosaurs did not go extinct at the Cretaceous Boundary event,
http://www.athenapub.com/crater1.htmbut the climate changed and the big ones could not evolve rapidly enough to acclimatize. The smaller ones evolved even smaller to acclimatize and to compete with the mammals. Maybe they lasted 10M years in pockets while the mammals mutated to fill the void. I think only bats fly among the mammals, so this would be a niche that dinosaurs could fill. The point is that the mammals were small, rugged, and agile, and got bigger and more varied. The dinosaurs were big, brawney, and well-suited to a non-extent niche. Not enough time to evolve smaller. The same dynamics work for small companies looking to overtake big ones in the market. The tactic is simple. Change the market.
I am intrigued by Lake Missoula and the other 2 whose results have been found. I mentioned it in a previous post that would support your position, come to think of it.
Evolution may be like a superfluid in a container. It has an intrinsic rate of mutation that can be surpassed by environmental changes causing extinction. The word in magnetism is hysteresis.
100,000 years of human development is now underwater, maybe including talk about Noah's biblical flood. Hmmm.
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