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One_Charred_Wing
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Message 31 of 170 (142606)
09-15-2004 7:34 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by nator
09-15-2004 9:24 AM


Re: It WAS a good movie, kiddo
Well, yeah. It's deadly dull.
That's an opinion.
"The Exorcist" is a psychological horror film. It is supposed to get inside of your head. If I am reading you right, what impresses you and makes you react is unrealistic depictions of explosions and violence rather than rather more realistic depictions of emotion. To have an impact in a movie like "The Exorcist", one must become emotionally involved with the characters so you care what happens to them and feel what they are feeling. If you don't get there, then a movie like "The Excorcist" will not do anything for you.
Hey now, I didn't say I wasn't moved when Father Marron died. It was an excellent movie and I did get somewhat attached to characters, as I like to do if that's the kind of movie I'm expecting to see. I just said it didn't scare me.
There is a LOT more to producing a truly scary movie than making the audience "jump".
Absolutely; I couldn't agree more. In fact, I think a movie that calls itself a horror and can only make you 'jump' is a joke. If there's no psychological element, then there's no real art, just raw power. And anyone can use that. Resident Evil probably used the three or so 'jump' scenes just to pump up the blood to make the ass kicking better, though. I don't think it was intended to be a horror if that's what you mean.
Again, are you trying to tell me that RE:A was a good movie?
Actually, now that I think about it, yes. The special effects, with the exception of Nemesis himself, were quite good. Other than Jill during the first bit, the dialouge was well-acted and sounded like what a real group of people might be saying during a zombie incident(I'm NOT saying a zombie incident would really happen, by the way). It had excellent comic relief, well-coregraphed fight scenes, and realistic motives even for the creation of the T virus:To restore dead cells to help the handicapped etc. Then some people stole it to make money by using it as a weapon, then a lab got raided and the virus manifested in the city. Just by that, it sounds like a police thriller or something.
You know, you never did answer me regarding my question of why you never would think you would take the feminist side of an argument.
I don't remember you asking me that. But actually, I would and have. Women have the moral and legal right to do whatever they want just like men. However, I also believe that with rights come responsibilities, so I say draft 'em too.
If anyone says that 'a woman's place is in the kitchen and not the ring' then I'll either smack him or tell one of my tough lady friends and see what they decide to do. That's just fairness.
However, if I hear anything about this 'I am woman, hear me roar', or this 'men are the cause of all the evils in the world' rhetoric then it's gone way to far, and I'll make fun of them the same way I make fun of fundamentalist theists.
By the way, I realize 'feminist' just means supporting women's rights according to the dictionary, but the people who have proclaimed such a title have been 'Femme-Nazis' as far as I've known.
Anyway, back to the lighter side:
I would think that a blind date would be better, because it is in your power to affect how the date is going.
You try dating her, then...

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joshua221 
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Message 32 of 170 (142633)
09-15-2004 10:18 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by nator
09-13-2004 10:41 AM


Re: Clarifications
ROGER EBERT IS SICK!
I wouldn't call myself a veteran but any movie that seems worthwhile I check his review first.

"Wake up, O sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you."
Ephesians 5:14

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nator
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Message 33 of 170 (142685)
09-16-2004 9:38 AM
Reply to: Message 31 by One_Charred_Wing
09-15-2004 7:34 PM


Re: It WAS a good movie, kiddo
quote:
Actually, now that I think about it, yes. The special effects, with the exception of Nemesis himself, were quite good. Other than Jill during the first bit, the dialouge was well-acted and sounded like what a real group of people might be saying during a zombie incident(I'm NOT saying a zombie incident would really happen, by the way). It had excellent comic relief, well-coregraphed fight scenes, and realistic motives even for the creation of the T virus:To restore dead cells to help the handicapped etc. Then some people stole it to make money by using it as a weapon, then a lab got raided and the virus manifested in the city. Just by that, it sounds like a police thriller or something.
Yeah, and when I was your age I thought that "I Ran" by Flock of Seagulls was a really good song.
It isn't. It's crap. It's really bad crap.
But that doesn't mean I don't still love to hear it.
Like crash said, eventually you will understand the difference between crap that you love and a really well-made, well-acted movie.
quote:
By the way, I realize 'feminist' just means supporting women's rights according to the dictionary, but the people who have proclaimed such a title have been 'Femme-Nazis' as far as I've known.
Excuse me?
Look, I don't mean to be harsh, especially after you basically told me that you are a feminist, but what you don't know about people who proclim themselves to be feminists is a lot.
I suggest reading anything that Gloria steinem has written. There are several good interviews on line that you will find if you do a Google search on her full name.
She calls herself a radical feminist. After reading her views, come back and tell me if you think she is a "feminazi".
BTW, you do know that the term "feminazi" was coined by Rush Limbaugh, don't you?
"Feminism was established to allow unattractive women easier access to the mainstream. Women were doing quite well in this country before feminism came along."-Rush Limbaugh
"Militant feminists are pro-choice because it's their ultimate avenue of power over men... It is their attempt to impose their will on the rest of society, particularly on men."-Rush Limbaugh

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Dr Jack
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Message 34 of 170 (142693)
09-16-2004 10:01 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by One_Charred_Wing
09-12-2004 1:09 PM


REA can:Show some serious action scenes that are so intense I hardly noticed the fact that the camera shook too much.
Blind date can:Scream at every scene with monsters, and say 'oh my God, this is so scary'...
And you're complaining about this? Dude... you've got it all wrong; this is your cue to provide the 'warmth of human sympathy'. Don't you young-folk know anything?
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macaroniandcheese 
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Message 35 of 170 (142696)
09-16-2004 10:10 AM


re:a has got to be better. and i don't even like zombie movies.
#1 answering the title... women are inherently stupid and obnoxious and should all be killed at birth. well. there are a few exceptions...
#2 answering your blind date question... blind dates are a bad idea. no wait. dating is a bad idea. ew. guh. any decisively single people wanna go see a zombie movie?

macaroniandcheese 
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Message 36 of 170 (142697)
09-16-2004 10:14 AM
Reply to: Message 33 by nator
09-16-2004 9:38 AM


Re: It WAS a good movie, kiddo
rush limbaugh is a cunt. feminist is a very old attitude. however, modern feminism (started in the seventies) is a load of bullshit that was responding to the women's own self-loathing after the returned to the home after world war two. they didn't value their work in the home (which was absolutely invaluable and that attitude was reflected in society prior to the 40's) and thus society grew to reflect that dissatisfaction.

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nator
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Message 37 of 170 (142787)
09-16-2004 4:29 PM
Reply to: Message 36 by macaroniandcheese
09-16-2004 10:14 AM


Re: It WAS a good movie, kiddo
quote:
modern feminism (started in the seventies) is a load of bullshit that was responding to the women's own self-loathing after the returned to the home after world war two. they didn't value their work in the home (which was absolutely invaluable and that attitude was reflected in society prior to the 40's) and thus society grew to reflect that dissatisfaction.
Huh, and here's me foolishly thinking that modern feminism (continuing right now) is about being able to choose to do what you want to regardless of your gender.

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Rei
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Message 38 of 170 (142792)
09-16-2004 4:43 PM
Reply to: Message 36 by macaroniandcheese
09-16-2004 10:14 AM


Re: It WAS a good movie, kiddo
No no no... you've got it all wrong. Rush Limbaugh is a nazi. (mp3, polka)

"Illuminant light,
illuminate me."

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macaroniandcheese 
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Message 39 of 170 (142799)
09-16-2004 5:12 PM
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09-16-2004 4:29 PM


Re: It WAS a good movie, kiddo
no. that's what old feminism was about. modern feminism is about villifying men regardless.

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macaroniandcheese 
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Message 40 of 170 (142800)
09-16-2004 5:13 PM
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09-16-2004 4:43 PM


Re: It WAS a good movie, kiddo
well yeah. that too.

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crashfrog
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Message 41 of 170 (142813)
09-16-2004 7:07 PM
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09-16-2004 5:12 PM


that's what old feminism was about. modern feminism is about villifying men regardless.
Modern feminism seems to be about women thinking about and with their vaginas; which is odd because the often-lamented trait about men is that we do the same thing with penises.

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One_Charred_Wing
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Message 42 of 170 (142815)
09-16-2004 7:14 PM


Topic please?
Feminism has nothing to do with the fact that RE:A was a kickass movie with a good story despite what critics claim .
So far we've got a pretty strong wind going for RE. Anyone else think a bad blind date would be better?
And Crashfrog, you're right. It's eerily ironic.

nator
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Message 43 of 170 (142832)
09-16-2004 8:16 PM
Reply to: Message 41 by crashfrog
09-16-2004 7:07 PM


quote:
Modern feminism seems to be about women thinking about and with their vaginas
I don't think that, and neither do any of the women I know who also call themselves feminists.
What kind of feminists are we, then, brem, crash?

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NosyNed
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Message 44 of 170 (142835)
09-16-2004 9:16 PM
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09-16-2004 7:07 PM


Huh
That's about the only truely stupid thing I've seen you say here (so far) Crash.

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crashfrog
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Message 45 of 170 (142839)
09-16-2004 10:49 PM
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09-16-2004 8:16 PM


I don't think that, and neither do any of the women I know who also call themselves feminists.
I'm sorry that my statement didn't really come off the way I intended it to. (Clearly I did not engage all of my brain when I posted that.) It wasn't my intent to speak about all modern feminists; rather, those individuals who seem to typify the most "visible" members in feminism today, like Eve Ensler of the "Vagina Monologues."
I understand that the theme of the Vagina Monologues is to use the vagina to tie together disparate narratives about a variety of women's issues, but with Eve Ensler talking about "the vagina vote", it seems like the issue of equality in women's sexuality, and women taking ownership of their sexual experience, has been brought to the forefront when there's a whole lot of more important issues - pay equity, health issues, justice equality, etc. These are the real feminist issues, to me.
Obviously, feminists like Schraf are just feminists. I'm a feminist too. But I don't understand how what appears to be the modern trend in public feminism - the obsession with the vagina, or with sexuality in general. There's a hell of a lot more work in feminism to be done. I think the focus on sexuality is a distraction at best and, at worst, the diversion of time and effort into something where its easy to achieve the appearance of results without actually accomplishing anything (activist masturbation, if you will.)
I hope that clears it up a bit. I'm proud to stand with folks like Schraf and be counted as a feminist; one who believes in equality between the genders.
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