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Author Topic:   How many Creationists here believe in the Caveman?
Loudmouth
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Message 11 of 28 (142377)
09-14-2004 3:59 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by Robert Byers
09-14-2004 3:26 PM


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However because caves will retain the evidence of ancient livers so in the 19th century it was thought the caves were a real envirorment for people.
These caves show evidence of continual use including deep ash beds from fires, communal toilets, and midden heaps (trash heaps). They also painted the walls. By definition, they were cave men because they lived in caves. They even painted the walls. What we don't see during this time is multi-storied buildings, townships, or organized furniture. This is strikingly absent for a supposed cultured civilization.

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Loudmouth
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Message 13 of 28 (142525)
09-15-2004 12:28 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by Buzsaw
09-14-2004 10:05 PM


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My opinion based on the Biblical record is that from the getgo, man was intelligent enough to build, fabricate, mine, sculpture, farm, garden, melt, mold and work metals, etc.
My opinion, based on archaeology, is that there were not sophisticated civilizations, including those things mentioned, dating to the same time as the cavemen in question. Most opinions are that man WAS smart enough to do these things at this time in history. However, technology has to build up over time. The "standing on giants" sort of thing. For instance, man 300 years ago was smart enough to fly to the moon but society lacked the technology to make it so. Archimedes, if memory serves, discovered calculus 1400 years before Newton but his work was lost in the Dark Ages. Imagine how much farther along we would be if his work was not lost.
The challenge is simple. Find a human settlement that is sophisticated in it's pottery, art, buildings, and religion and dates back to 30,000+ years. If you are able to do this it will upset the archaeological apple cart. The argument for humans being less sophisticated is because of the evidence, not an attempt to falsify the Bible. Therefore, you can refute the argument by offering counter-evidence. I am very open to any evidence you might present. I think this could be a very civil argument if you are interested.

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Loudmouth
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Message 22 of 28 (142736)
09-16-2004 12:54 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by macaroniandcheese
09-16-2004 10:01 AM


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muslims invented zero.
And the Mayans, a depraved pagan central american culture, invented zero as well.

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Loudmouth
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Message 23 of 28 (142737)
09-16-2004 12:57 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by Buzsaw
09-15-2004 10:18 PM


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1. The headhunters of New Gineau, the Voodo folks in Haite and other such depraved cultures did not get that way in a couple of generations. It took a long time. American pagans are only a few generations from majority Protestant Christian forbears.
You have yet to show that there were sophisticated cultures prior to the "cave man" so you claim is not supported.
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2. Pagan cultures didn't invent and produce the cans and can openers.
No, but they did invent calculus more than 1400 years before christian culture did. In fact, it was christian culture that erased (ie burned or copied over) these pieces of technology and knowledge.

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