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AdminAsgara Administrator (Idle past 2302 days) Posts: 2073 From: The Universe Joined: |
Let's keep it focused on topic please.
Christian music, I believe AdminAsgara Queen of the Universe http://asgarasworld.bravepages.com http://perditionsgate.bravepages.com |
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nator Member (Idle past 2169 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Actually, many of the the Founding Fathers were Deists. The idea that our government is Christian in nature is silly. It is based more upon the ideals of the Enlightenment, which are secular, humanist values.
quote: Nope, not true, as stated above. Jefferson, Paine, and Adams, were definitely not Christian. Read more here: Quartz Hill School of Theology
quote: ...and how is that any different from what religious power does in any other theocracy? You seem to forget that the reason the US is "the most free nation on earth" is precisely because it's government is purely secular, with the foundres specifically leaving the matter of religion to the individual.
quote: Excuse me? 1. Thou shalt have no other gods before me. That is the first commandment. How is this consistent with religious freedom? Oh, and how are your religious rights being trashed?
quote: This is so wrong. The Founders understood that religion and faith were a private matter and that it was intrusive for a Government to have an official religion. They were not following the Bible, nor were they hoping that people would "chooses Christ". They were following a secular model of government.
quote: And Hindu creation myths, Native American creation myths, and the Epic of Gilgamesh had been around a lot longer than Biblical Creation. What, did you think that the bible was the oldest religious text or something? Take a basic world religion class at the local community college or university. you will learn a lot that you don't know.
quote: Yes, and it was other scientists who "changed" the version of history from demons causing "posessions" to brain damage and disease causing mental illness. Feel free to continue to live in the demon-haunted, ignorant Dark Ages if you like. The rest of us prefer modern medicine and reason over superstition, thank you. I'll put my lot in with the people with the compass. You can stay with the people reading the chicken entrails to scry the future if that's what makes you most comfortable.
quote: I'm sorry, but this is just stupid. Um, Darwin began developing the ToE long before he was even married, let alone a father, long before his daugher's death. The Theory of Evolution is is supported by an overwhelming amount of evidence from diverse scientific fields.
quote: Can you please explain to me what "sin" and "satan" have to do with the change in alelle frequencies in a population over time? What you don't know about Biology is a lot.
quote: No, evolution tells us that alelle frequencies change in populations over time. YOU have decided that the Bible is a science textbook instead of a spiritual guide. Don't blame reason and science for your religious folly.
quote: 1) None of these people used "Godidit" in their work. They used methodological naturalism in their work, just like modern scientists. 2) None of them were alive when the Theory of Evolution was developed, nor had modern Geology discovered the Earth's ancient age.
quote: Bull. They used methodological naturalism, just like any science.
quote: Really? Please explain.
quote: First of all continental drift has nothing to do with the Theory of Evolution. It is a Geologic theory, not one of Biology. Second, YOUNG Earth Creationism rejects continental drift.
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Gup20 Inactive Member |
You asked about Christian Death metal...
acoustic-torment.de - This website is for sale! - acoustic torment Resources and Information.The domain name undeceived.net is for sale | Dan.com There are other bands out there that a mainstream and Christian ... such as CREED. They are christian band with chrsitian lyrics in their songs... yet their songs are very popular and in movies and what not.
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Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1240 days) Posts: 1928 Joined: |
I have been enlightened on this topic lol.
There is no such thing as christian music. Anthropomorphism. It's when you apply a human adjective to an object. The music can't be christian. I've realized you can praise God just as much with the beauty of your talent and not have to have the lyrical content being "I love Jesus" etc... -chris |
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Flamingo Chavez Inactive Member |
You asked about Christian Death metal... acoustic-torment.de - This website is for sale! - acoustic torment Resources and Information. The domain name undeceived.net is for sale | Dan.com Anything on the solid state music label is also going to be super hard, not all death metal, like living sacrifice etc... but some super hard stuff. There are great bands out there... one of my favorites is Project 86. They hate to be catagorized as a Christian band, they feel that labels such as Christian and non-Christian music is constructing a false dichotomy, but they deal with many Christian themes. One of their recent songs, S.M.C. they got a lot of flack for, because of their criticisms of the church. But they do it to promote social change.
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lfen Member (Idle past 4677 days) Posts: 2189 From: Oregon Joined: |
Why is so much of Christian music so bland and pablum-like? You must be talking about some contemporary genre. IANAC but I love Bach! Gregorian plainsong is very soothing but I just don't feel it's bland. Gospel music is great and the roots of soul and much pop music. And Bob Dylan wrote a couple of great songs that are christian, "Gotta Serve Somebody", "Every Grain of Sand". If the music is bland and pablum like don't listen to it! But there is some great christian music out there. lfen
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lfen Member (Idle past 4677 days) Posts: 2189 From: Oregon Joined: |
Can you please explain to me what "sin" and "satan" have to do with the change in alelle frequencies in a population over time? Schraf! You know he can't! Bad girl
What you don't know about Biology is a lot. You make me laugh...that is such an understatement! What he doesn't know about biology is pretty much ... biology, in it's entirety. lfen {OK - OFF-TOPIC. STOP THE SIDE THREAD RIGHT HERE - Adminnemooseus} This message has been edited by Adminnemooseus, 09-06-2004 02:24 AM
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General Nazort Inactive Member |
I am interested in what Christians have to say about this. Why is so much of Christian music so bland and pablum-like? I agree that some Christian music is rather bland sounding. But sometimes it is nice to have music like that - it is soothing and peaceful, which is part of Christianity. But there is plenty of other Christian music that is not bland, music that is more passionate. There are lots of Christian bands - my favorite is Switchfoot. Also there are awesome composers/singerslike Michael W. Smith and Michael Card. Their music is not bland at all! Many hymns sung in church also have passion in them. I guess there is simply a range of Christian music, just like there is a range in other types of music. I don't find that the majority of Christian music is bland - only some of it. Pray for mercy from... PUSS! In boots. (Don't forget the Spanish accent!)
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
why is it so difficult to find good Christian music?
Because your not Christian.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
Pillar,
Switchfoot, Warren Barrfield, Third Day, Creed, and so on. It is getting better.Any questions you have about Christian music schraf, I would be glad to answer. I have learned a lot about it since being saved 9 months ago. I have played piano, and keyboards for 35 years, and I have been playing on "The Worship team" at my church for about 7 months. I am now the assistant leader of the team. I think the problem you might be having is that the music is inspired by the Holy Spirit. If you do not reconize the Holy Spirit, then it would be hard for you to fully appreciate the music. A lot of the contemporary music you hear is worship music which is slightly different than just good music written by Christians. It might be hard for you to appreciate worship music if you are not worshiping God. Worship music has to contain certain elements so that everyone can enjoy it, and worship together. Just like its more fun for a group of youngsters to sing row row row your boat around a camp fire than singing Saturday nights alright for fighting, by Elton John. I used to personally laugh at it no more than a year ago. I didn't think it was anything, until I got saved. Now the feeling I get from it is nothing short of Godly. Also the radio station itself can have a lot to do with it, some play better music than others. I would recommend going to like a Christian living store, where they have a computer loaded with music, that you can sample, and see what you like. What kind of music are you looking for? I also experienced my baptism of the Holy Spirit listening to the worship team that I now play on. they are blessed and filled with the Holy Spirit. I take my role there very seriously. It carries a lot of responsibility. I need to be following God throughout my life in everything I do, otherwise I do not beling up there playing for him(God). I really wish you could come visit my church and hear us play. I don't know if it would do anything for you, but you never know. I know we have gone at each other in other threads, but I do like you, and wish the best for you, and your husband. *edited to add something*Chris is right, there is no such thing as Christian music, only Christian lyrics. We are now practicing the song, Reason by hoop-a-stank. The lyrics can fit right in, if you mean it towards God. Our Chruch will play secular music if the lyrics can fit. This message has been edited by riVeRraT, 09-18-2004 11:50 PM
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
The idea that our government is Christian in nature is silly. It is based more upon the ideals of the Enlightenment, which are secular, humanist values.
Then please explain this statement schraf: We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. Note the words creator, and created. Then explain this: We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by the Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States; that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor. Please note the words "supreme judge of the world" and "sacred honor"
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
Thats an awesome web-site. Our web-site could use some music on it too. If I was closer, I would come visit you guys for sure.
I am a worship leader here:http://www.clcnj.org/contact.html Peace
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
But with all the anger and angst removed, they are just going through the motions.
You mean no-one in the bible got angry :confusedOf course you can be angry, Christians go through the same crap everyone else does, plus more.
As far as I can tell, thats exactly what it's about; the main virtues of christiabity all seemt o do with obedience, keeping your mouth shut and your nose to the grindstone for the bosses.
Poopy. I am human.
Though Shalt Not... If its NOT a bunch of rules, what is it for? The whole thing operates on a premise of blackmial: follow these instructions or suffer.
You can follow the instructions and still suffer.
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Adminnemooseus Administrator Posts: 3974 Joined: |
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Asgara Member (Idle past 2302 days) Posts: 1783 From: Wisconsin, USA Joined: |
sorry Hun,
Hoobastank... Asgara "Embrace the pain, spank your inner moppet, whatever....but get over it" http://asgarasworld.bravepages.comhttp://perditionsgate.bravepages.com
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