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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1492 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
When you say the same field, do you mean same rank as well? No. All things being equal, rank shouldn't matter; the genders should be equally distributed among all ranks.
If a man happens to be a promotion ahead of a women on the ladder, then it would make sense that he would be paid slightly more. What doesn't make sense is that so many, many more men than women achieve promotion, which is what throws off the pay equity.
Well, depends on the movie in my opinion. No, because again, we're not talking about the movies that you like, we're talking about the movies that are good. Good movies have good writing, good acting, good cinematography. Across the board, these are the indicators of a good movie.
In this case, excellent. No wasting time. Hrm, that's usually an indication of frantic pacing - it's possible to pace a movie too quickly. You have to slow down, at some point. That's just good writing.
Some may disagree, but I still say it's better than a bad blind date. I guess I have to agree with that one. At least a bad movie isn't punctuated by uncomfortable conversations, etc.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1492 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
yes girls, you heard that right. see, the current incarnation of feminism has nothing to do with equality and women's rights at all. So that makes gender equality as a goal suspect, somehow? I can appreciate that you perceive the academic world as the entire universe; those of us who live in the real world are going to go on practicing real feminism, and be proud to do so. There's a difference, which you may not have picked up on, between feminism as a framework for literary criticism, and feminism as a movement for gender equality. This message has been edited by crashfrog, 09-18-2004 06:44 PM
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1492 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
as far as "real world" feminism, it's all but died off. I suppose I coulf jump in with a rousing speech about how feminism will never die, but suffice to say, this is simply false. It's certainly the case that the public face of feminism seems to be more about trivialities and sloagans than in feminist issues, which I have pointed out in this thread, but again, there's a distiction between feminism and the public perception.
if anything, society is now mostly feminized. bill maher gives good proof: when you say "women are smarter than men" you get applause, but when you say "men are smarter than women" you get booed and called names. That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard, and it's no evidence that society has been "feminized." (In a feminine society, your career in academia wouldn't end the second you decided to have a child.) People like it when the percieved "underdog" is praised. You'd get the same reaction with "black people are smarter than white people", but that's no evidence that our society has been "black-ized." ("Negrotized"? You could come up with all kinds of words.)
watch your favourite sitcom, and next time pay attention to the gender roles. how many times do you see a bumbling father/husband, outwitted by the sly mother/wife? This isn't new, chief. You can see this on Nick at Night (you know, with the ancient TV shows.)
i think "real world" feminism should be fighting for the men. Again, you seem to fail to distinguish between real feminist issues and gender trivia. Hire a few more women CEO's, elect a few women Presidents, and get birth control on the same health plans that provide Viagra, and maybe we'll get to your manhood problems. Until then, though, you'll pardon us if they're not a priority.
but, uh, like i said. have you taken any women's studies classes? Not specifically, but I'm familiar with feminist criticism through general literary theory classes. That's all women's studies is, anyway. At least it was at my school.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1492 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
...because it, like a video game, is not interested in making you think or feel anything real. Hey, wait a minute. You might be interested to know that the state of the art of video game storytelling has advanced way beyond Pac-Man, Schraf. While many video games continue to be excercises in reflex and response time, there's a staggering number of games now that feature writing and storytelling every bit as good as a movie. Other than that, though, you're right on. I hate seeing movies with teenagers.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1492 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
However, isn't the Resident Evil series just a first person shooter? I think you're confusing it with something else. RE is perhaps the quintessential third-person survival horror game; as a result, it's very plot-driven. It's not as well a crafted example of storytelling as other games in the genre, like the Silent Hill series, but it definately set an example that was copied very closely for an assload of knock-off games.
That's pretty much the point I was making; that those kinds of video games are about walking around and killing things and the "story" or "plot" are unimportant. Well, gameplay is always the most important consideration of a video game. They are, after all, supposed to be fun. If story was more important, they'd be movies. I mean, if you took the character leveling and squad combat out of Baldur's Gate, you'd have a fairly boring movie, don't you think? Unlike a movie that can be both good and unenjoyable - I doubt anyone would claim that they "enjoyed" the Passion of the Christ - a video game must be fun before it can be good. That, unfortunately, puts some limits on artistic endeavor in video games.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1492 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
tell me the last time you met a chick who didn't act like that? My wife? That is, after all, why I married her - her remarkably good sense. (Her good sense in marrying me, however, may have been questionable.)
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1492 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
women's studies is not a form of literary criticism. Your milage may vary, but in my college experience, women's studies has always been presented as a form of cultural literary criticism; studying gender politics in popular culture, television, writing, journalism, etc. And there is certainly a feminist model of literary criticism.
the problem is that i can't stand at the bus stop in the morning without a dozen men driving by hooting at me. Get a gun. I don't know if that will make them stop hooting - you're apparently such a looker that men feel open license to hoot at you - but you'll sure feel safer about it packin' heat.
and academic careers don't end when you decide to have children. If you don't have tenure when you decide to have children, in the vast majority of fields, the odds are, you won't ever get it. You'll be shut out of positions in the department because you're a year behind on the tenure clock. I'm surprised to see you deny that this disadvantage exists. It's such an endemic problem that many universities are instituting new policy to specifically address this issue:
quote: That's from MIT. Or from U Mich:
quote: This is a well-known problem in academia; childbearing interrupts you ability to keep pace with others on the tenure clock. Luckily, we're having success in getting universities to institute policy to offset these disadvantages.
until you quit demonizing men who decide to stay home to raise children as "lazy bastards leeching off their women" then women will have to do it... I'm looking at a future where I'm the primary childraiser, supposing my wife and I take that route. She'll almost certainly have a better job than I will. I'm excited for it, if we decide to do it. Hanging with my kids all day sounds like a blast. So, I don't know exactly who you think I've "demonized." Being a father? That's the manliest thing I can think of.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1492 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
did i say you specifically were demonizing fatherhood? Ok, well, you did say "you" in a message specifically addressed to me. What was I supposed to think?
no they can't work with hazardous chemicals, etc, but then i think there's a choice to be made there. Why? Why should they have to make a choice at all? That's the point. Women shouldn't have to choose between reproducing and career success; men certainly don't.
i don't like it when women seek special treatment Equal treatment isn't special treatment. Women have a unique condition that fairness demands we take into account. It's the same reason we build wheelchair ramps, etc; people without legs shouldn't have to make a "choice" about trying to get into an airplane bathroom.
and yes there is a form of feminist literary criticism... but that's not all that women's studies is. As I said, your milage may vary, but in my academic experience, that is all it is.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1492 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
i grew up on a university campus, you can't tell me that a woman's career in academia ends when she has a child. it's just simply not true. As I showed before, this is simply a ludicrous statement in the face of hundreds of schools adopting paused tenure clocks for pregnancy. Pregnant women simply can't continue the academic pace through their pregnancy, especially in the sciences; this puts them at a disadvantage for making tenure.
i know LOTS of women professors with children. The plural of "anecdote" is not "data", Arach.
you can however tell me that there are less women professors than men professors. as long as it's not a product of hiring discrimination, that's fine. Given that some 60-70 percent of undergrads are women, these days, wouldn't it be hiring discrimination by definition?
90% of the music you hear on the radio is in a genre created by black people. rap, hip-hop, sure, but don't forget rock and roll, soul, r+b. these are not the inventions of white people. So what? Again, despite the overwhelmingly black contribution to popular urban culture these days, we don't consider society "black-ized."
granted, the percentage is not good (not even close) but it's not like there are no women ceo's Oh, well! Hire the band and we'll dance in the streets! There's one or two women CEO's! Feminism has won!
now this is the emasculating, derogatory kind of argument i was talking about. Boo-fuckin-hoo. Maybe the substantially larger pay for the same work we recieve as men will ease the sting a little bit.
so lets see, vaginas are more important than penises? is that what you're saying? You know that it's not. You know that what I'm saying is that problems like sexual assault, pay equity, and other examples of sexism are far, far more important than making sure your feelings aren't hurt, Arach. Get over yourself, and don't try to offer such ridiculous strawmen in place of my arguments. You just look foolish.
you're obviously missing something. Oh, I see. You attended one college, so you're an authority on women's studies at all colleges?
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1492 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
but this is just when a career is STARTING. many, many women in academic careers get their degrees and tenure first, and then have children. Right, obviously. Nobody loses tenure for having a child. But having a child can prevent you from getting it. These women you refer to had to make a choice between tenure and childbearing; that's not a choice men have to face. Maybe I wasn't clear what I was talking about. I may have overstated my claim, by accident.
no, you don't hire undergrads, you hire post-grads. Who, presumably, started out as undergrads. We've got a pipeline here, where 70 percent women are going in, but a lot, lot less than that are emerging with academic positions. And you don't think that sexual discrimination is a potential factor?
like i said, the percentage is not great and has a long way to go, but it's not like they don't exist. I didn't say that they didn't exist, and the fact that we have such a long way to go proves my point.
i make 6.50 an hour. That's a good $.75 over what I make.
you said birth control over viagra. Where? Show me where. Misrepresenting my argument isn't going to get you very far here.
the point is that it's discriminatory, and you were intentionally being derogatory about it. Having birth control on the same plans as viagra, which, until recently, was not done? And still may not be universal? Where's the discrimination? Oh, I mean, I see the discrimination against women, obviously, but I don't see the discrimination against you and I.
no. i didn't say that. No, you did say that:
quote: The only way for you to know I had "missed" something at my school is if you had knowledge about women's studies programs at my school. Unless you're a Gustavus grad (go Gusties!), you don't have that knowledge.
it's just the way it IS nowadays, as a school of postmodern thought. Right. And postmodernism is a school of criticism. Your own experience proves my point; you haven't mentioned doing anything in the class that wasn't criticism of literature or other reflections of society. AbE: Do you understand what I mean when I refer to "criticism"? You equivcated on the term in post 142 so I'm not sure. Maybe you were being witty. This message has been edited by crashfrog, 09-21-2004 09:06 PM
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1492 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
a good philosophy. i'm in favor of it. So, we're all in the same boat, but we're arguing about what to call it? Why don't we go by what it was called first: feminism.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1492 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
they're not talking about it, and nothing is being done. it's not being addressed at all. Data, please?
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1492 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
true a lot of the time, but men also don't grow babies inside them. So, women, by virtue of biology, should have no recourse? Yes, men don't grow babies inside them. That's why we give women a break on the tenure clock, to reflect biological reality. It's the same reason we build wheelchair ramps. Thanks, by the way, for addressing me like I'm an idiot.
but you can't argue that's what happened to almost ALL OF THEM. I don't recall making that argument. For someone who's complaining about people not reading, your posts continue to bear little relation to mine.
no, i was talking about your wording. "manhood problems." your wording was discriminatory and derogatory. Your assertion that percieved injusticies against men in popular entertainment was somehow more important than real inequity for women was an insult to me or any thinking person. I merely returned the favor.
who claimed to be the authority on women's studies classes at all colleges? I claimed to be an authority in regards to my own experience with women's studies at my own college, which I am. I never claimed that my experiences were universal - in fact, I've been careful to specifically avoid making that claim - unlike you. You're the one who told me that I was "missing something" at my own college.
yes. but is calculus any different if i'd gone to say texas a&m or mit? Your experience of the class might be substantially different - as a matter of fact, speaking of calculus, I once had a calculus professor who taught the class with a decidedly feminist bent. It is experiences of classes we're discussing, here, and you've repeatedly told me that somehow I "missed something"; that I didn't have the experience that I've said I had. That's a considerable arrogant presumption on your part.
in fact, that's my major problem with postmodern feminism: all it is is criticism, or anything and everything. But what you've described is not feminism, it's women's studies. You're conflating feminist literary theory with the movement of feminism, which has been my point all along.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1492 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
because, as i've been trying to say all along, that's not at all what feminism is. Who are you to speak for feminism? I'm a feminist; I say that that refers to activism for gender equality. And you're going to have the arrogant presumption to tell me I'm not what I am? Please.
feminism has evolved beyond that point. Not as long as there is gender inequity.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1492 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
if you don't follow that, then it's up to you to decide if you're a feminist or not. I'm a feminist, and I stand for gender equality. It's literally just that simple, Arach. No amount of college class gives you the authority to define feminism.
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