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Tony650
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Message 31 of 84 (139458)
09-03-2004 2:15 AM
Reply to: Message 28 by Mission for Truth
09-02-2004 10:47 AM


Re: lol
Mission for Truth writes:
I have no patience for the unfolded pattern questions as well! But oh well.
Yeah, a couple of them were obvious; I recall at least one that I could see right away but I lost patience with the others. I could probably figure them out if I were willing to spend a while on them, but meh.
I should probably do it again and see if I can work out which ones I got wrong. They don't actually list the correct answers anywhere, do they?
Mission for Truth writes:
I don't think it's that accurate of a test either. Although, you can see the difference between people who try it.
That's true. I beat you! Nya nya!
Mission for Truth writes:
But it certainly doesn't map the entire dynamics of one's intellect - I think most would agree.
To be honest, I doubt there is any single test that can; I think there are just too many facets of human intelligence to take into account.
It could probably be done but I think it would require a series of tests, each dedicated to a specific aspect of the subject's intellect. However, if it were to be comprehensive enough to, as you say, "map the entire dynamics of one's intellect," it would probably take too long to be feasible.
Just my opinion.

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Tony650
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Message 32 of 84 (139463)
09-03-2004 2:31 AM
Reply to: Message 29 by coffee_addict
09-02-2004 11:24 AM


Darth Mal writes:
I once took an online IQ test that resulted in the 70's. Guess I wasn't as smart as I hoped I was.
Depends what kind of test it was. There are so called "culture fair" tests you can do. I don't know if that was an issue with the one you took.
It also depends how much prior knowledge was necessary to do the test. Some require a certain degree of education in mathematics, English, history, geography, etc.
I believe that true intelligence has little to do with what you actually know and more to do with how well you adapt; how easily you learn new things, apply new information, etc.
Anyone can memorize facts but it takes more than the rote method to apply them. Knowing is one thing, understanding is quite another. In this regard, I would think more of someone who can, for example, find the solution to a relatively simple math problem despite having no prior education in mathematics, than someone who can find the solution to a complex math problem simply because they've been taught how to.
I don't think that education and IQ necessarily go hand-in-hand, although I would say that someone with a high IQ is likely to find education (and learning, in general) easier than someone with a low IQ.
Anyway, I'm rambling. To summarize; don't feel bad about a low score on one specific test, Lam. I think a person's IQ tends to come out a lot in their words; I've been reading your posts since you started on EvC and I have no doubt as to your intelligence.

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Mission for Truth
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Message 33 of 84 (139556)
09-03-2004 11:48 AM
Reply to: Message 31 by Tony650
09-03-2004 2:15 AM


Re: lol
quote:
I believe that true intelligence has little to do with what you actually know and more to do with how well you adapt; how easily you learn new things, apply new information, etc.
I think you hit the nail on the head. That was exactly how I was going to reply to your post before you said it. But hell I'll throw my own words in anyway! The difference between intellect is majorly influenced by a person's ability to mentally adapt [quite an appropo word for this particular forum
And yes, you beat me, congratulations.... you bugger. I found the most difficult question on the test to be number 14, "determine the next item in the series J,I,H,G,K,F,A" which is located next to a simple looking diagram. Not simple enough for me I guess! I don't even have a guiding clue.
The second place runner up was the baffling "If the day before two days after the day before tomorrow is Monday, what day is today?" When I read it it seems simple and I feel like I can answer the question but before I do I second guess myself and that is where I run into all sorts of problems. My guess is Sunday but it's only a guess.
And Tony, remember what the test said in the intro, "If you feel your IQ is much higher then 140 we recommend trying our test for exceptional intelligence." OOO-lala.

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Tony650
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Message 34 of 84 (139624)
09-03-2004 3:15 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by Mission for Truth
09-03-2004 11:48 AM


Re: lol
Mission for Truth writes:
That was exactly how I was going to reply to your post before you said it.
Great minds think alike.
Mission for Truth writes:
The difference between intellect is majorly influenced by a person's ability to mentally adapt...
Yes, I think so. I think you can improve your performance in just about any activity if you do it enough. This includes standardized IQ tests. But I think it is much harder (although I won't say impossible) to improve your ability to deal with scenarios that are new to you.
Some people handle new situations well, others not. I think this is something which is a little more inherent in your mental makeup and where, in my opinion, true intelligence lies.
Person A might be outgunned by person B who is, say, a mathematician, in solving a mathematical equation; does this mean the mathematician is the more intelligent of the two? Possibly. However, what if we were to present both of them with a problem, the methodology of which neither of them were familiar, and person A found the solution first? This, in my opinion, is what intelligence is really about. The ability to deal with the new and unfamiliar.
If we are to use IQ tests as our gauge of intelligence, I would be inclined to ask the subject what they achieved on their first IQ test, based on the simple assumption that one goes into their first test not knowing what to expect (within reason).
But even then, I have my doubts. I had literally no idea what to expect on my first test and made a point of always remembering my very first result; 159. Frankly, this would put me in the league of certain people that I simply can't fathom myself being up there with, so can even my "first test" hypothesis be relied on?
Mission for Truth writes:
And yes, you beat me, congratulations.... you bugger.
Heh, don't worry; I'm sure there are plenty you'd kick my ass on.
Mission for Truth writes:
I found the most difficult question on the test to be number 14, "determine the next item in the series J,I,H,G,K,F,A" which is located next to a simple looking diagram. Not simple enough for me I guess! I don't even have a guiding clue.
Yeah, if you mean the one I think you do, that was frustrating. I don't recall exactly but I think it was hexagonal (or something like that) with "paths" connecting each of the letters. Some had one path, some had two, some had three, some paths were a simple line, some had "bulges" on one end, some had them on both, ARGH!
That's one of those ones I just lost patience with, in the end. I mentally shuffled through as many things as I could be bothered, trying to find some association between the paths, the letters, the pattern...anything. Ugh! I gave up.
Mission for Truth writes:
The second place runner up was the baffling "If the day before two days after the day before tomorrow is Monday, what day is today?"
Really? Oddly enough, I've always found questions like that pretty easy. I'm not gloating or anything; it's just interesting how different people can find such differing degrees of challenge in the same problem. There are probably certain types of questions that would baffle me but be a snap for you.
Mission for Truth writes:
My guess is Sunday but it's only a guess.
Your guess is correct.
If you have trouble with questions like that try reading them backwards. (These examples are a little hard on the eyes in preview, so I'll put them in quote boxes).
"The day before tomorrow" is today.
"Two days after that" is two days from today (the day after tomorrow).
"The day before that" is tomorrow.
Tomorrow is Monday.
Therefore today is Sunday.
You can even do it in a quasi-mathematical way, if you find that easier.
"The day before two days after" = "The day after"
"The day before tomorrow" = "Today"
...so...
"The day before two days after the day before tomorrow" = "The day after today"
"The day after today" = "Tomorrow"
"Tomorrow" = "Monday"
Therefore...
"Today" = "Sunday"
I can't say this would be my preferred method but it seems to work for those kinds of questions.
Mission for Truth writes:
And Tony, remember what the test said in the intro, "If you feel your IQ is much higher then 140 we recommend trying our test for exceptional intelligence." OOO-lala.
Indeed. Honestly, I don't believe that I possess "exceptional intelligence" but I'll take a look at the test some time. I don't suppose you want to tell me how you scored, so I'll know what I'm trying to beat?

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Mission for Truth
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Message 35 of 84 (139726)
09-03-2004 6:37 PM
Reply to: Message 34 by Tony650
09-03-2004 3:15 PM


Re: lol
I haven't actually tried to complete that particular test yet, but I will, and when I find my score I'll post it here.
Although, it might take a while because tomorrow I have to go to Calgary Alberta to work for a week and I probably won't have the use of a computer. But do not be dismayed, I will return! Feel free to post your score if you're done the test.

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mike the wiz
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Message 36 of 84 (140506)
09-06-2004 8:56 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by Mission for Truth
09-03-2004 6:37 PM


The wiz report
IQ tests yeah, I do them when I'm bored surfing the web.
Just a moment... is a free one (quick one) but I had to give a fake email address, to avoid them sending me their junk. It seemed to score me as Einstein. Lol, (trust me this has gotta be wrong!). (don't use the account babafruitcake@gojohnnygogogogo.com)
I think they're all dodgy though cos I've done about 15, and my scores have ranged from 80 to 140. (?) So how can I know my real score?
I suspect that 70 = Lam-inator 150 = Regular evc genius. 200 = Einstein. 1000 = Omniscience. 1 billion = Brad Mcfall.
here's some estimated IQ's from the wiz tank;
BRrhain = 160
Brad = Light year
Shraff = 22
Crashfrog = 12
Asgara = - 10.
All Jesus believers = 300.
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Asgara
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Message 37 of 84 (140539)
09-06-2004 10:43 PM
Reply to: Message 36 by mike the wiz
09-06-2004 8:56 PM


Re: The wiz report
-10??? -10??? -10???
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Asgara
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mike the wiz
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Message 38 of 84 (140966)
09-08-2004 1:55 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by Asgara
09-06-2004 10:43 PM


Re: The wiz report
Do you feel I was too generous?

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Tony650
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Message 39 of 84 (143743)
09-21-2004 6:49 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by Mission for Truth
09-03-2004 6:37 PM


Re: lol
Mission for Truth writes:
I haven't actually tried to complete that particular test yet, but I will, and when I find my score I'll post it here.
That's cool. I was actually just kidding so don't stress out about it.
I still haven't done the "exceptional intelligence" test. I was going to but I got distracted by Mike's link (thanks Mike ). If you're interested, I got 162. Eh, that can't be accurate. No way. In any case, my apologies for not doing the other test yet. I'm sure I'll get around to it some time.

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mike the wiz
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Message 40 of 84 (143800)
09-21-2004 10:43 PM
Reply to: Message 39 by Tony650
09-21-2004 6:49 PM


Re: lol
Haha, no probs.
162? - Are you sure you can't see fifth dimensionally? Or are you a closet Einstein? I got 140 if I remember correctly.
I still haven't done the "exceptional intelligence" test
Oh I'm far too frightened of that one, I'd rather comfort my ego and do the easy ones and convince myself they're tough.
Us mere mortals Tony - who don't get posted for poster of the year, need some ego comfort.

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Tony650
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Message 41 of 84 (143830)
09-22-2004 3:04 AM
Reply to: Message 40 by mike the wiz
09-21-2004 10:43 PM


Re: lol
Mike writes:
162? - Are you sure you can't see fifth dimensionally?
Ha! Very sure; I've been trying for years. Can you? If so (or even if not), go here.
Incidentally, that's not the highest score I've ever achieved. I have scored as high as 171, but as I've said before, I doubt the accuracy of these online tests. On some scales, a score like that would place me above Stephen Hawking, and somehow I don't think that's the case.
Mike writes:
Or are you a closet Einstein?
Oh sure! In fact, I'm just throwing together a paper that will overturn Relativity Theory. You know...I was bored and there was nothing on TV, so it kills some time. Oops, I'd better call Sweden and get them to hold my prize for me.
*returns to reality*
But seriously, I'm nothing special. Putting aside any false modesty for a moment, I do believe that I'm "smarter than the average bear" but I don't think I'm a genius, supremely gifted or anything else of the kind. If pressed for an honest self-evaluation, I would say that I think I am "above average" but that's all.
Certainly not far enough to put me on par with many of the posters here, some of whom I suspect are waaay above average. Frankly, there are people on this forum that make me feel like an idiot. Now, I realize that much of this is due to the difference between their and my education and not necessarily intelligence, but I have some idea what is required to earn those degrees, and I think a little intelligence helps.
Mike writes:
Oh I'm far too frightened of that one, I'd rather comfort my ego and do the easy ones and convince myself they're tough.
Us mere mortals Tony - who don't get posted for poster of the year, need some ego comfort.
Heh, how true.
Don't worry, though; if it's designed for those with extremely high IQs then I probably won't do that well. Then you can say, "Nya nya, my score's higher than yours!"
You know what I'd be interested in seeing? Brad's score on one of these. Seriously. I know we kid about him but I am actually quite curious how he would go. Perhaps that's just me.
Or even better yet, a test designed and written by Brad. Can you imagine that? I would project an IQ of about 20 for myself, and that's allowing for the questions that I accidentally get right.

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Phat
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Message 42 of 84 (143845)
09-22-2004 7:19 AM
Reply to: Message 37 by Asgara
09-06-2004 10:43 PM


Re: The wiz report
Asgara writes:
-10??? -10??? -10???
I think that what Mikie means is that the last shall be first! You will be leading us out of our wilderness! Brad will be too busy trying to analyze the chemical makeup of the burning bush!
And Lo! Doth God require every man to spank inner moppets any longer? Verily I say unto thee that One came to be spanked once and for all vanquishing our doubts and anxieties!
Love Him and stay away from fundamentalists and it will be well for you and for your children and for your childrens children.
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coffee_addict
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Message 43 of 84 (143846)
09-22-2004 7:35 AM
Reply to: Message 36 by mike the wiz
09-06-2004 8:56 PM


Re: The wiz report
Hahahaha. I just noticed this post. At least I made it into the second half of the 2 digits.

The Laminator
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Melchior
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Message 44 of 84 (143848)
09-22-2004 8:04 AM


That test is way out of line. I got 163, and it tells me to adjust upward if you don't speak English/American natively.

  
mike the wiz
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Message 45 of 84 (143897)
09-22-2004 1:14 PM
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09-22-2004 7:35 AM


Re: The wiz report
Welcome to the average group.

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