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ID man Inactive Member |
quote: Can you support your assrtion? Dr. Behe isn't the only IDist that accepts common descent. quote: Do you know this Steve Jones personally? Were you there when he was asked to resign? Do you believe everything a disgruntled person tells you? Do you know all of the details behind his resignation or only what Steve posted? "...the most habitable place in the solar system yields the best view of solar eclipses just when observers can best appreciate them." from "The Privileged Planet"
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ID man Inactive Member |
Conflating ID with Creationism is a transparent ruse. You are only fooling yourself and your gullible ilk. By your logic theistic evolutionists are also Creationists. I wonder what Ken Miller would say to you about that.
I never saud that ID didn't have similarities with Creation. Both have similarities with the theory of evolution. That does NOT make them all one in the same. It doesn't matter if Creationists support ID. That does not make ID = Creation. If I want to learn about ID I would not go to the ICR or AIG. Is that where you learn about the theory of evolution? I put my arguments down in the proposed topics thread labeled Intelligent Design is not Creation[ism]. I wonder why the moderators won't post it? Copy of entire contents of proposed topic deleted. Moderators have already cautioned this thread to remain on topic. Members who feel moderators are not responding fast enough to proposed topic are free to volunteer for a moderator role. --Admin ID is Creationism only in the minds of the ill-informed or the blatant misrepresenters. Which one are you Percy? This message has been edited by Admin, 09-16-2004 10:58 AM "...the most habitable place in the solar system yields the best view of solar eclipses just when observers can best appreciate them." from "The Privileged Planet"
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ID man Inactive Member |
quote: Dean Kenyon and Scott Minnich are two such IDists. However, I only have to present one, Behe, to shoot down your case. quote: That isn't evidence. If you don't have any evidence just say so. "...the most habitable place in the solar system yields the best view of solar eclipses just when observers can best appreciate them." from "The Privileged Planet"
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ID man Inactive Member |
quote: He is? Any evidence for that assertion? quote: That is not true. It is not a creationist paper. Meyer is an IDist and yes there is a difference. The paper was reviewed by three other people- biologists. Is Nick Matzke a biologist? This message has been edited by ID man, 09-16-2004 10:33 AM "...the most habitable place in the solar system yields the best view of solar eclipses just when observers can best appreciate them." from "The Privileged Planet"
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ID man Inactive Member |
Is talk design a peer-reviewed journal? Is N.J. Matzke a biologist?
What detail is offered on how the bac flag arose? Biology in the Subjunctive Mood:A Response to Nicholas Matzke The double-standards are obvious. Reality shows they exist. "...the most habitable place in the solar system yields the best view of solar eclipses just when observers can best appreciate them." from "The Privileged Planet"
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ID man Inactive Member |
quote: That is false. The underlying assertion is that it takes an intelligent agency to account for IC and CSI. But please if you have ANY evidence that nature acting alone can bring about the biological structures with alleged IC then present it. Otherwise all you have is a belief system. Belief systems are not science. quote: And that is pure assertion. Is assertion the best you have? quote: There is the double-standard again. When has nature acting alone been observed to bring life from non-life? Why does an agent have to be defined before we can infer that an object is a product of design? Since when did the actual observance of an event make it necessary to infer something about that event? "...the most habitable place in the solar system yields the best view of solar eclipses just when observers can best appreciate them." from "The Privileged Planet"
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ID man Inactive Member |
quote: I am sure that you think you do. quote: I don't believe that is what I said. IDists don't have to believe in common descent. IDists CAN believe in common descent, Creationists don't. That is the difference. IDists follow the evidence. IF that evidence leads us to the conclusions of Creationists- that there were many different types of organisms that first populated the Earth- so be it. "...the most habitable place in the solar system yields the best view of solar eclipses just when observers can best appreciate them." from "The Privileged Planet"
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ID man Inactive Member |
quote: If you think that is what took place, not only are you wrong, but there are other words I won't use that describe you very well.
quote: Wrong again. I was merely asking for the positive evidence for materialistic naturalism. I see you can't provide any.
quote: Design is a mechanism. Also we have the following: and quote: Actually Darwin stole the idea of NS. However we still haven't observed NS create anything from scratch. quote: Ever hear of genetic engineering? By your logic we can't propose that life or biological structures came about by nature acting alone because we NEVER observed nature acting alone doing so. "...the most habitable place in the solar system yields the best view of solar eclipses just when observers can best appreciate them." from "The Privileged Planet"
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ID man Inactive Member |
quote: Yup, sure, whatever you say. Please present the evidence that is what took place. I will take the word of IDists over your inference based on partial evidence. Taken from
The only evidence you have exists in your mind and maybe the minds of other anti-IDists. IOW you have nothing. "...the most habitable place in the solar system yields the best view of solar eclipses just when observers can best appreciate them." from "The Privileged Planet"
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ID man Inactive Member |
quote: I gave evidence for design. Then I asked for you and your ilk to do the same but to support your faith. On NS RM: quote: That would be a lie. Please point me to where I have been shown this. Even Theobald's 29 evidences doesn't discuss a mechanism. on genetic engineering: quote: Talk about moving goalposts! Can you support your assertion that the genes were already created by natural selection and random mutation? No one has ever heard of nature acting alone bring about a totally novel organism from scratch.
[quote] Nice unsubstantiated assertion. Seems that is what evolutionists are good at. "...the most habitable place in the solar system yields the best view of solar eclipses just when observers can best appreciate them." from "The Privileged Planet"
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ID man Inactive Member |
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Is talk design a peer-reviewed journal? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- quote: Then according to Joe Meert it is invisible to science. That means it doesn't count for much. Get your article published and someone may take notice. This message has been edited by ID man, 09-27-2004 10:59 AM This message has been edited by ID man, 09-27-2004 11:00 AM "...the most habitable place in the solar system yields the best view of solar eclipses just when observers can best appreciate them." from "The Privileged Planet"
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ID man Inactive Member |
I don't know if any of this has been posted so here goes:
Welcome to the home page of Dr. Richard M. v. Sternberg This one supports what I posted about Richard being part of the baraminology group: Response to questions from The Scientist
(bold added) "...the most habitable place in the solar system yields the best view of solar eclipses just when observers can best appreciate them." from "The Privileged Planet"
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ID man Inactive Member |
quote: Meyer's article was published the same way other scientists get their articles published, via peer-review. If you have any evidence to the contrary please provide it. This message has been edited by ID man, 09-27-2004 11:09 AM "...the most habitable place in the solar system yields the best view of solar eclipses just when observers can best appreciate them." from "The Privileged Planet"
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ID man Inactive Member |
Let's see if Nic cares to answer:
The premise is false in that ID has presented the positive evidence for its case. The case is in the literature I have posted as well as other essays, articles and books. BTW, we can’t deny what has yet to be shown. IOW if you could show your process was sufficient odds are we wouldn’t be having this discussion. However we can compare- what is the positive evidence that natural selection acting on random variations or mutations can do what evolutionists assert it can? IOW what is the positive evidence that a bacterial flagellum can arise by nature acting alone? What is the positive evidence for asexual and sexual reproduction arising by nature acting alone? What we will find, as with endo-symbiosis and the alleged origins of eukaryotes, is that what is being looked for has to be assumed in the first place. IOW Dr. Margulis started with the assumption that eukaryotes evolved from prokaryotes and then fit her observance to that assumption. The same can be said of the alleged evolution of metazoans. Then these guys have the audacity to mention details. LoL! The theory of evolution is void of details. The ‘why’ in the theory of evolution is what? The theory of evolution can only speculate based on the assumption. How can we falsify the theory of evolution? What is the empirical test to show that euks. evolved from proks.? “An unintelligent, non-guiding force did something, somewhere, somehow, for no apparent reason” is not a model. "The neo-Darwinian concept of random variation carries with it the major fallacy that everything conceivable is possible" Ho and Saunders. The double-standards in the first paragraph alone would give any rational person caution for the contents of the rest of the paper. OK Nic anytime you are ready. Take your time I understand that discussion boards are not your life. "...the most habitable place in the solar system yields the best view of solar eclipses just when observers can best appreciate them." from "The Privileged Planet"
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ID man Inactive Member |
quote: As usual you don't know what you are talking about:
The above taken from:
crasgfrog you should read my posts and its links BEFORE responding. This message has been edited by ID man, 09-27-2004 11:18 AM "...the most habitable place in the solar system yields the best view of solar eclipses just when observers can best appreciate them." from "The Privileged Planet"
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