Please give me so-called "proof" of Jesus or God.

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That is the silliness you are espousing, mike. You are claiming that the entire universe exists simply to create you, specifically.

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Oh? Is that right?

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Yes.You are claiming that because we exist, the universe must have been deliberately designed to accommodate us. And if the universe was deliberately designed, then it must be that there is a god.But you seem to be unwilling to go the final step: If the universe was designed to permit our specific form of life, why wasn't the universe designed to permit you, specifically?There is no free will: The entire universe is specifically geared to put you, specifically, in the precise position you are in right here and now. These words you are reading? They're not my words. They're god's words. God is deliberately putting them into motion precisely so that you can see them.

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So you see, it is not a selfish argument, but rather - the Universe is fine-tuned for us to live in

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...which is a selfish argument.How can it be otherwise? You're saying that the universe was designed to accommodate YOU. That is the epitome of selfishness.

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there is time for things to happen in. Why? Why should there be? Why would there be?

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You just answered your own question:Why would there be?You're assuming the thing you are trying to prove.

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And so - by the will of God I am.

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What a selfish attitude.Why does god care that YOU exist? Won't any other human do just as well? There are more than six billion other people on this planet. What is so special about YOU?

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Not by any intentions of men, but by the will of God.

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Congratulations! You just got rid of free will. Your parents didn't fall in love from their own volition. They didn't decide to get married out of their own desire. They didn't have children from their own hopes and dreams.God did it. God made them do it.

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In our entire study of the physics,

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What has this got to do with anything that God has made and said?

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Didn't god make physics?

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THIS is arrogance - thinking you can know more than what God knows

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But god said we do. Who are you to contradict god?

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call him sinful

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But god admits to committing sin. Who are you to contradict god?

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tell HIM why the Universe is.

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Incorrect. I have never mentioned anything about why the universe is. I have simply said you have muffed it.

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WHY would there be anything? Why should there be?

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You just answered your own question.You're assuming what you're trying to prove.

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My conditional implication remains

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Indeed. It remains just as false as it was when you first introduced it.

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WWJD? JWRTFM!

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Why couldn't everything happen at the same time if there is no God?

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Because time doesn't work that way.Why are you so insistent upon the chocolate sprinkles? If we have a complete, working model, why do you insist on adding something that doesn't actually affect anything but is there simply to make you feel better?If things can work on their own, why do you need someone to make them work?

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WWJD? JWRTFM!

How are you defining 'sin'? If you are saying it is breaking of 'god's laws', then , in my opinion, there is no sin.If you have another defintion.. well, I have to find that definition out first.

Mike,

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You must face the unavoidable fact that we exist, therefore God does. Indeed, anything evidences God, because of that bible quote I provided, written thousands of years ago under the influence of the Holy Spirit.

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I don't have an issue with the assertion that we exist, Mike, but getting from there to God exists requires a bridge that isn't there. You might be a little out of your depth here, Mike, but that's no reason to get all flustered. Ontological proofs of God's existence aren't new or convincing. Sorry the rules of philosophy can't be scrapped to accomodate yours.regards,
Esteban Hambre

The full phrase is "ton adelphon Iesou tou legomenou Christou, Iakobos onoma autoi", which is exactly what I provided a translation for. This is not the way James is normally referred to in Christian texts (where is the kind of puffery that we see in the interpolated text in Josephus). "ho legomenos Christos" is not a distinctive Christian way of referring to Jesus -- in fact it's unusual in Christian texts -- but it is such a tiny fragment of vanilla Greek that it hardly means anything anyway. Josephus uses the identical construction elsewhere in the same work, e.g. Ant. 12, 125, "Antiochus... who by the Greeks was called The God", and Ant. 13, 370, "Lathyrus sent for his fourth brother Demetrius, who was call Eucerus".