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Author Topic:   Pigeons and Dogs: Micro or Macro evolution?
NosyNed
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Message 11 of 144 (68142)
11-20-2003 8:25 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by Rei
11-20-2003 3:19 PM


"ends can not longer interbreed at all"
That is an interesting assertion. I've seen it argued with. Do you have any references?

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Message 15 of 144 (68175)
11-20-2003 9:19 PM
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11-20-2003 9:07 PM


Re: class in 1 minte and here i am writing a question...
there is no other species that humans can interbreed with
Absence of evidence?
There is no way someone would be nuts enough to try this experiment but I wonder.

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Message 25 of 144 (73606)
12-16-2003 11:20 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by John Paul
12-16-2003 11:08 PM


Evidence for Macro
John Paul writes:
Wait just a second. It is up to you to provide POSITIVE evidence to support a theory.
What would this evidence look like, JP? Would snapshots of a large change over time do it? If not why not?

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Message 55 of 144 (74381)
12-19-2003 10:44 PM
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12-19-2003 5:35 PM


Bats
Do we even know what the alleged ancestor of the bat was? Where is the fossil evidence to support that?
I don't think there is any bone-type fossil evidence of a pre-bat bat-like mammal. So? Why is that any kind of problem at all?

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Message 110 of 144 (146209)
09-30-2004 5:59 PM
Reply to: Message 108 by Robert Byers
09-30-2004 5:03 PM


We don't.
You don't get to keep making statments about things that you know absolutely nothing about.
and then we have this little twist:
Robert Byers writes:
For example I myself have no problem seeing bears and dogs as all from the same one that came off the Ark. I was impressed by how similiar the bear is to the dog and in the fossil record (post flood as I see it or post cret/ter line for you) how phrases like bear-dog were used and other examples of overlap.
and now:
Robert Byers writes:
I'm not 100% sure dogs/bears are the same.
This is a very common creationist bit of behaviour. That is why we ask for a definition of kind and some concrete examples. If (and that's a big if) they are given as soon as one doesn't like the outcome the definition starts to shift around.
Another thing you don't know is just what a "kind" is. And you won't find a safe, useful definition from creationist sources.
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