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CK Member (Idle past 4128 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
How do you connect the dots in such a way to make such a claim?
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Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1240 days) Posts: 1928 Joined: |
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Primordial Egg Inactive Member |
It isn't. heres the date i forgot to add Copyright 2005 I didn't think it was possible to have a copyright stamp set in the future - does that mean its ok to plagiarise from it this year? PE
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Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1240 days) Posts: 1928 Joined: |
What claim?
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Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1240 days) Posts: 1928 Joined: |
beats me
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CK Member (Idle past 4128 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
that the exodus actually occured - that section you quoted said nothing of the sort.
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CK Member (Idle past 4128 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
What is the purpose of your posts that are just ""
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2284 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 6.8 |
According to the Torah
The Book of Genesis tells The textbook is not saying that the exodus is fact. The textbook is saying that the Torah claims it to be fact. edited to add: If I were to write
According to Norse mythology the earth and the sky were created from the corpse of the giant Ymir. Would I be saying: a) that it is a fact that the earth was created from a giantor b) that it is a fact that according to Norse myths the earth was created from a giant This message has been edited by DrJones*, 09-30-2004 06:47 PM *not an actual doctor
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
But it's not being taught as happening, but only that they included it in their mythology.
What the textbook is saying is that the Judaic book, the Torah, includes the story of the exodus. It is saying that the authors believed it happened. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1240 days) Posts: 1928 Joined: |
They used it to describe Israelites beginnings
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Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1240 days) Posts: 1928 Joined: |
yes it is being taught as happening by including that in the civilizations origins
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Actually, no, not really.
Let'slook at it again:
Early History of the Israelites Early in history, the Israelites, or Hebrews, came to believe that God was taking a hand in their lives. As a result, they recorded events and laws in the Torah, their most sacred text. A Nomadic People According to the Torah, a man named Abraham lived near Ur in Mesopatamia. About 2000 B.C., he and his family migrated, herding their sheep and goats into a region called Canaan.* Abraham is considered the founder of the Israelite Nation. The Book of Genesis tells that a famine later forced many Israelites to migrate to Egypt. There, they were eventually enslaved. In time, Moses led the Israelites in their escape, or exodus, they entered Canaan, the land they believed God had promised them. "According to the Torah..." and "The Book of Genesis tells..." are qualifying statements. They are saying that what follows is what is asserted by the books. Including it in "Civilizations Origins" is not stating that the events in the narative actually happened, but that things like the Torah or Greek Mythology, or the Authurian Legend or the the Egyptian Mythos are part of what goes into defining a civilization. No people or civilization can be seperated from their mythos. Take some time and read the works of Joseph Campbell. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1240 days) Posts: 1928 Joined: |
quote: Of course because that's the only evidence of what happened. As a historian you use written documents to discover history.
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Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1240 days) Posts: 1928 Joined: |
double post
This message has been edited by CHRIS PORTEUS jr, 09-30-2004 07:43 PM
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1344 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
I have the impression it was an epic but not an historical text. I thought Homer wrote it not with the intentions of displaying history but creating a fantastic story. I feel this way because if you actually view the Illiad for what is said, didn't parts of the Illiad come from his imagination? Am I wrong in saying this? you are absolutely wrong. homer had the same intention the various authors of the torah and parts of the nevi'im had. they recorded epic traditions and historical backgrounds. and actually, homer didn't write the iliad. if i recall my last greek class, homer is the name attributed to person who recorded pre-existing legends and epic (oral) poetry. the trojan wars happened long before homer ever lived. but, then again, greek stuff never interested me much; i could have it backwards. similarly, the latest dates for biblical tend to be much later than you'd think, and each book has a different focus, or fantastic story to tell.
Is there more evidence for it being copied than it actually happening? No. It can only create a major coincidence of similiar stories. Especially judging that there wasn't much cultural diffusion between the Israelites and the Sumerians. gilgamesh is an epic written in akkadian, in babylon, which is older than even genesis. the hebrews certainly would have had access to it and other babylonian lore during their stay there. much of the hebrew bible shows babylonian influence, often even in their knocking the babylonians. the tower of babel is the story of an ancient ruin of a ziggurat in babylon, and is a rebuttal of a local legend explaining why it's in ruins. also, the first chapter of genesis bears strong similarity to the babylonian creation myth. it's not a question of whether or not they copied from the babylonians, they certainly did. and last time i checked, abram was from a place called ur. ur was a city in sumeria.
Much of what it is is historically sound. The nations, the events most are recorded as of happening. Nebuchadnezzar and Babylon is one for instance. so that's the tail end of sameul/kings and chronicles, and isaiah? every textual clue tells us the bible is not recording history, but conveying messages, often from very different view points. yes, some of the events happened. but some of them we have absolutely no evidence for, like the exodus.
The exodus is being taught as happening it history textbooks. This however cannot be good evidence. Outruling the exodus leaves the other historically correct information which there is a good quantity of. and the history channel has documentaries on it. it doesn't mean they're right. the text can't even reach a conclusive date on it happening (year wise). as for a good variety of historical information... well. what books would you call history? at the very most we're limited to genesis through chronicles as arranged in the christian bible, sans a book or two like leviticus.
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