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Silent H
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Message 16 of 235 (146335)
09-30-2004 9:24 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by crashfrog
09-30-2004 7:47 PM


I'm not going to make fun of your question, as it makes some sense given the amount of hysteria surrounding rape.

I also agree that most of the solutions seem weak or futile compared to what rape is or is supposed to be.

However your assessment misses the fact that guns won't really help that much. Against the movie rapist that looks like a rapist and jumps out to attack someone, yeah a gun might work. And a general prevalence of guns MIGHT have some deterrent effect.

But real rapists are cowards. They play a con game or hit from a direction you don't see coming. In other words most maximize their advantage such that you don't have time to get to a weapon at all. You are practically beaten if not actually beaten before the fight begins.

You can try to live like musashi... heheheh, I like that guy... but then you aren't living well. I mean I don't think that guy ever got laid, right? Life generally involves trusting others, and that necessarily means putting onesself at risk.


holmes
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Lammy
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Message 17 of 235 (146347)
09-30-2004 9:33 PM


This is an area where I first realized that girls weren't for me.

During the time period when I was trying really hard to suppress my homosexual tendency and forcing myself to like girls, I actually got to like a few girls I knew at the time. The problem was that I was too "boring" for them. I was a gentleman who never pressured for sex, and that pretty much drove them away.

What I'm trying to say is that good girls like bad guys.

The fact that the majority of rape happened when the rape victim knew the rapist gives credence to my view on the matter. Why can't girls hang around guys that actually don't always look at their boobs all the time? Why can't girls hang around guys that actually aren't egoistic? Why the hell can't girls hang around with guys that actually want more than sex, more sex, and nothing but sex?

Yes, yes, I know what you're going to say, that it's not always easy to tell. Well, according to my experience, it's pretty darn easy to tell.

Added by edit:

By the way, I don't think carrying guns will solve the problem. The first step to solving the problem is actually go to each girl, give them a shake, and make them understand that bad guys are not as sexy as they seem... except for the christian guys. They give me the creep.

This message has been edited by Lam, 09-30-2004 08:35 PM


For goodness's sake, please vote Democrat this November!

Why? Bush is a right wing nutcase.


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Message 18 of 235 (146361)
09-30-2004 9:51 PM
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09-30-2004 8:13 PM


from north of you
I shake my head with incredulity.

This is the first reason that I mentioned when I was offered a job near Seattle. The VP asked, "Why not?" and I said "Well, for one thing: guns". (That one he grimiced over and agreed on)

The society of the US is in deep trouble for a number of reasons. The view of deadly weapons is just one of them.


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Message 19 of 235 (146362)
09-30-2004 9:56 PM
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09-30-2004 9:51 PM


Re: from north of you
Okay.


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nator
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Message 20 of 235 (146377)
09-30-2004 11:45 PM
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09-30-2004 7:47 PM


Why don't more women carry guns?

Because unless you are going to carry a gun in your hand, especially when you are on a date or hanging out with male friends or relatives, most rapes are not going to be prevented.

Stranger "attacker in the shrubs" rape is much rarer than rape by a person known to the woman, in her own home.


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crashfrog
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Message 21 of 235 (146378)
09-30-2004 11:52 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by Rei
09-30-2004 8:52 PM


This is for everyone making the same argument
Rape is generally not an expected thing. So, realistically, you would need to be armed at all times.

Right. And what I'm saying is, if it were men getting raped, we would be. We would be armed at all times.

We have been in the past, you know. It wasn't that long ago that "male jewelry" was another way of describing one's personal weapon.

You see, I didn't ask why its a bad idea for more women to carry guns. I asked why they don't. If it were men, the fact that the gun might not help in the vast majority of cases would mean nothing. The fact that it would help, occasionally, and might give a rapist pause, is more than enough reason.

Do you think a kid would have the sort of gun skills to pull a wild-west gun-from-the-holster-and-fire trick? Would your proposal be to keep a cocked gun in everyone's hands at all times?

Yes.

Furthermore, once someone brings a gun into play, someone is likely to get shot - be it you or the other person.

If it's the other person, I don't see the problem. What's the problem with shooting rapists?

Look, women: you live on a planet where you're physically outclassed by almost half of all human beings. They've demonstrated over and over again that many of them (us!) bear no compunction against attacks on your person.

And your response is to hope it doesn't happen to you?! That's the best you've got? I don't get it.


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crashfrog
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Message 22 of 235 (146379)
09-30-2004 11:56 PM
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09-30-2004 11:45 PM


Because unless you are going to carry a gun in your hand, especially when you are on a date or hanging out with male friends or relatives, most rapes are not going to be prevented.

Why don't women do this, though? If I knew that every male aquaintance I had was, realistically, a potential rapist, I'd be armed at all times. Heavily. I'd encourage women to do the same, and men would just have to get used to it - get used to the fact that any woman they know would have the possibility to end their lives if things got out of hand.

In other words, men would have to live like women do.


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nator
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Message 23 of 235 (146385)
10-01-2004 12:15 AM
Reply to: Message 21 by crashfrog
09-30-2004 11:52 PM


Re: This is for everyone making the same argument
If I, as a woman, start really believing that just about every man I see is probably going to rape me if he can, including all of my male coworkers, friends, classmates, and family members, then I am going to have some serious problems with relationships with the opposite sex, don't you think?

Why put the onus on the victim to stop the attacker instead of taking action, as a man yourself, to talk to all of the men and boys you can get to about rape and how it isn't OK?


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crashfrog
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Message 24 of 235 (146389)
10-01-2004 1:33 AM
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10-01-2004 12:15 AM


If I, as a woman, start really believing that just about every man I see is probably going to rape me if he can, including all of my male coworkers, friends, classmates, and family members, then I am going to have some serious problems with relationships with the opposite sex, don't you think?

So, a little friction in your interpersonal relationships is worse than grevious crimes against your person?

You don't think those priorities are a little misplaced?

Why put the onus on the victim to stop the attacker instead of taking action, as a man yourself, to talk to all of the men and boys you can get to about rape and how it isn't OK?

Yeah, how well has that ever worked?

I have no power to compel rapists. I've never been witness to a rape, or been in a position to intervene. The only person who can stop it are the people involved; the rapist and the victim. If the rapist was going to stop, he wouldn't have started. That leaves the victim.

I'm not putting the onus on the woman to stop the attacker; I'm wondering why it doesn't occur to women to make preparations to stop it. Who else can? It's bad when women get raped, and it's never their fault; but why is submission a better idea than a prepared resistance?


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crashfrog
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Message 25 of 235 (146390)
10-01-2004 1:39 AM
Reply to: Message 18 by NosyNed
09-30-2004 9:51 PM


The society of the US is in deep trouble for a number of reasons. The view of deadly weapons is just one of them.

There's no shortage of gun owners in Canada, from what I've heard.

Like I said, it's not paranoia when they're actually out to get you. Women are at risk of being raped - staggering risk, if the statistics are to be believed.

It's like a war against women. Why won't they fight back? Because it's not easy? Because it won't always work? Those aren't good reasons.

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One_Charred_Wing
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Message 26 of 235 (146393)
10-01-2004 2:00 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by crashfrog
09-30-2004 7:47 PM


Clone. See below.
POST CLONE. Sorry.

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One_Charred_Wing
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Message 27 of 235 (146395)
10-01-2004 2:03 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by crashfrog
09-30-2004 7:47 PM


Speaking for the common good
I think there are some karate practitioners on here, so please don't take this personally.

Why aren't the karate studios filled with women?

They are. Lots of girls do karate and tae kwon do. Unfortunately, not enough women are practicing legit self defense.

Why doesn't Prada make a line of designer pistols for women?

They can pack heat by going through the liscensing process just like men. I don't think it'd be safe to let anyone just pick up a gun.

Self-defense kata should appear, in illustrated form, on the back of the Tampax box.

Really, they'd be better off practicing said kata in an actual gym. And that says a lot.

I see your point about them needing to defend themselves against rape because it's a legit threat, but some of these ideas I don't know about.

But really, I do agree with you, and that werewolf thing would definetly pep up my desire to keep a glock with me. Who cares if you can't kill it? Better have something.


Wanna feel God? Step onto the wrestling mat and you'd be crazy to deny the uplifting spirit. http://www.BadPreacher.5u.com (incomplete, but look anyway!)
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One_Charred_Wing
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Message 28 of 235 (146398)
10-01-2004 2:13 AM
Reply to: Message 17 by Lammy
09-30-2004 9:33 PM


Why can't girls hang around guys that actually don't always look at their boobs all the time? Why can't girls hang around guys that actually aren't egoistic? Why the hell can't girls hang around with guys that actually want more than sex, more sex, and nothing but sex?

I'll admit to having an ego and being kind of a muscle head, but other than that it's the story of my life. I say we open a new topic on this subject.


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One_Charred_Wing
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Message 29 of 235 (146399)
10-01-2004 2:22 AM


I'm reading some retorting posts from Rei and Shraff saying 'it could be a friend, should I arm myself all the time?'

Well, yeah. And would that be bad? Maybe some women would abuse it, yes, but then they get their liscences to carry guns revoked and hopefully get their ass fried on the chair or something. AS for the rest of it, I'd sure be up in arms with that werewolf.

Also, something I never understood about women and rape: "I'd be so scared, I'd freeze up!"

Maybe it's because of the difference in testosterone levels or something, but I could never understand how you couldn't get pissed and want to kill the bastard if he tried to pull that. If I were a woman with my current mindset, I'd be waiting for the first prick to try it so I could rip his nuts off and gouge his eyes and or worse.

The question being, how could you not enter a blind and sadistic fury, making you more a threat than him? I know I'd go ballistic on some hairy queer who tried to bend me over.


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RAZD
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Message 30 of 235 (146400)
10-01-2004 2:31 AM
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09-30-2004 7:47 PM


women aren't the only ones who are raped. it is defenseless people, male, female, young and old, and it is about power more than sex, the sex is more like the act of marking the trees to declare territory.

and a gun in a purse does you no good when you cannot reach it.


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