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One_Charred_Wing
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Message 26 of 235 (146393)
10-01-2004 2:00 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by crashfrog
09-30-2004 7:47 PM


Clone. See below.
POST CLONE. Sorry.
This message has been edited by Born2Preach, 10-01-2004 01:06 AM

Wanna feel God? Step onto the wrestling mat and you'd be crazy to deny the uplifting spirit. http://www.BadPreacher.5u.com (incomplete, but look anyway!)

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One_Charred_Wing
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Message 27 of 235 (146395)
10-01-2004 2:03 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by crashfrog
09-30-2004 7:47 PM


Speaking for the common good
I think there are some karate practitioners on here, so please don't take this personally.
Why aren't the karate studios filled with women?
They are. Lots of girls do karate and tae kwon do. Unfortunately, not enough women are practicing legit self defense.
Why doesn't Prada make a line of designer pistols for women?
They can pack heat by going through the liscensing process just like men. I don't think it'd be safe to let anyone just pick up a gun.
Self-defense kata should appear, in illustrated form, on the back of the Tampax box.
Really, they'd be better off practicing said kata in an actual gym. And that says a lot.
I see your point about them needing to defend themselves against rape because it's a legit threat, but some of these ideas I don't know about.
But really, I do agree with you, and that werewolf thing would definetly pep up my desire to keep a glock with me. Who cares if you can't kill it? Better have something.

Wanna feel God? Step onto the wrestling mat and you'd be crazy to deny the uplifting spirit. http://www.BadPreacher.5u.com (incomplete, but look anyway!)

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One_Charred_Wing
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Message 28 of 235 (146398)
10-01-2004 2:13 AM
Reply to: Message 17 by coffee_addict
09-30-2004 9:33 PM


Why can't girls hang around guys that actually don't always look at their boobs all the time? Why can't girls hang around guys that actually aren't egoistic? Why the hell can't girls hang around with guys that actually want more than sex, more sex, and nothing but sex?
I'll admit to having an ego and being kind of a muscle head, but other than that it's the story of my life. I say we open a new topic on this subject.

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One_Charred_Wing
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Message 29 of 235 (146399)
10-01-2004 2:22 AM


I'm reading some retorting posts from Rei and Shraff saying 'it could be a friend, should I arm myself all the time?'
Well, yeah. And would that be bad? Maybe some women would abuse it, yes, but then they get their liscences to carry guns revoked and hopefully get their ass fried on the chair or something. AS for the rest of it, I'd sure be up in arms with that werewolf.
Also, something I never understood about women and rape: "I'd be so scared, I'd freeze up!"
Maybe it's because of the difference in testosterone levels or something, but I could never understand how you couldn't get pissed and want to kill the bastard if he tried to pull that. If I were a woman with my current mindset, I'd be waiting for the first prick to try it so I could rip his nuts off and gouge his eyes and or worse.
The question being, how could you not enter a blind and sadistic fury, making you more a threat than him? I know I'd go ballistic on some hairy queer who tried to bend me over.

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One_Charred_Wing
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Message 74 of 235 (146676)
10-02-2004 1:53 AM
Reply to: Message 32 by CK
10-01-2004 4:38 AM


Ah nothing like a topic like this to bring the bigots out
No no no. Sorry, another one of my smartass blurts. I didn't mean to be a bigot and I do NOT think all homosexuals go around raping people.
What I meant to illustrate was that something like rape would seem from my perspective to ignite your temper more than 'freeze' you.

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One_Charred_Wing
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Message 75 of 235 (146691)
10-02-2004 2:41 AM
Reply to: Message 71 by Rei
10-01-2004 7:32 PM


It is not worth getting yourself killed to not get raped.
First of all, better to get killed than to live a lifetime of being raped over and over by some violent opresser, right?
Second of all, he may well kill you anyway. If you're cornered, you may as well try and fight it out. Our killer instincts have survived for billions of years throughout our evolution, we may as well use them.
No. We're talking about a woman getting raped. I'm the one advocating that she not do anything like go for a gun, or physically resisting an *armed* opponent (note: physical resistance is not the only type!) that endangers her life.
I'm sorry, but if he has a knife you can step back and shoot him. That's why you have a gun. If somebody even gets halfway to you, then whip it out and tell him one more step and you'll shoot. If that doesn't get through his ears to his brain, make another passageway.
Okay, the next part describes a scenario that really has some potholes in it.
Requirements for this scenario:
1) One hand free, in reach of the purse.
2) Purse nearby at all times, when home, away, etc (*LAUGH!*)
3) Assailant doesn't move purse
Tell him to not touch your stuff. If he doesn't listen, get the hell out before he goes from your belongings to you.
4) Woman not pinned
I can think of only one possible 'pin' where one couldn't scratch, bite and kick. Especially if he doesn't have her arms, in which case one could gouge his eyes out.
5) Assailant isn't armed in a way to pose an immediate threat to the woman's life
He's RAPING HER!! That's a pretty serious threat, isn't it? He's always a threat, are you saying it's best for said victim to lay down and spread 'em?!
6) Woman is conscious, and fully uninhibited
If he pulls a knock 'em and stock 'em, go shoot the bastard when you wake up.
7) Assailant doesn't notice the woman reaching for her purse in the middle of his attempt to rape her and find it suspicious.
He'll have to reach out to get the purse away from her, and if he does so while on top of her his weight will shift to one side, making it comparatively easy to thrash out from under him.
8) Assailant doesn't see woman grab something in the purse, or doesn't find it suspicious if she does.
9) Woman can work zipper with one hand in the middle of someone trying to rape her.
Ever heard of 'pistol whipping'? They're heavy enough to be a threat without bullets, so you could just thwack him with the purse. A good clock between the eyes will at least damage him.
10) Woman can aim and fire the gun in the middle of a rape attempt, and hit on the first shot.
If he reacts after the first shot his concentration will be on the gun. If he grabs for it, hit him with the other hand.
I feel like I'm teaching a women's self defense class or something. This is just instinctive reacion.
Look, the point is that if he's raping her he's damaging her and could very well kill her if she doesn't do something. So far it looks to me that you're saying it's bad to resist a violent assault like rape. If rape is really a show of power, it won't be very effective when the victim is kicking him in the balls and biting his thumb off.

Wanna feel God? Step onto the wrestling mat and you'd be crazy to deny the uplifting spirit. http://www.BadPreacher.5u.com (incomplete, but look anyway!)

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One_Charred_Wing
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Message 82 of 235 (146758)
10-02-2004 2:32 PM
Reply to: Message 76 by CK
10-02-2004 4:49 AM


Hey, I read a scenario and disagreed with the 'helplessness' situation. The point of it was that I saw no reason to not resist the rape. I agree with Crashfrog that it is a fantasy if you think stuff like this doesn't need to be considered. Rape is very real, even in merry olde England. Never been raped, know only one two people that have been, but I'm still quite aware of its existence. I think that if someone doesn't want to get raped, it might help to resist in ways a little more persuasive than saying 'no'.
Please don't go pointing fingers at a society over something some kid said on an internet forum. Besides, who's bigger on MMA cagefights between the two of us, eh?
Not that it's a bad thing

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One_Charred_Wing
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Message 104 of 235 (160315)
11-17-2004 1:11 AM


You people are idiots
As someone getting back into boxing this January, all this anti-boxing bullshit really pisses me off. I'm starting a new thread right now so I can TKO your unreasonable asses .

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