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Rei Member (Idle past 7039 days) Posts: 1546 From: Iowa City, IA Joined: |
What a poor memory. Bush brought up the World Court.
What height of arrogance it is, however, to say that everyone else should be subject to international law... but we shouldn't. I can't think of a more arrogant stance that we could take. "Illuminant light, illuminate me."
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Dan Carroll Inactive Member |
Kerry critized GWB for not signing American to be a member of the World Court in the debate, GWB replied Did you actually watch the debates? Bush brought up the International Criminal Court, as a way of ducking out of Kerry's statement, which was about anti-proliferation.
Here's a transcript. Read. "If I had to write ten jokes about potholders, I don't think I could do it. But I could write ten jokes about Catholicism in the next twenty minutes. I guess I'm drawn to religion because I can be provocative without harming something people really care about, like their cars." -George Meyer, Simpsons writer
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johnfolton  Suspended Member (Idle past 5617 days) Posts: 2024 Joined: |
Kerry brought up the World Court in the debate when he talked about us being a part of the international clique, GWB responsed that Kerry is for the World Court, and Kerry never denied this, because Kerry is also for curbing industy by excessive emmissions, truly against american interests. If you want to be bound by Global World Law, then move to a country that is not free, here in America even you infidels have freedom from the government, the same separation protections as the church as Thomas Jefferson saying this separation from government protections even include the infidels, etc...Its really not in your best interest to lose this special protections you have in the Bill of Rights, etc...
P.S. To make World law soverign over US law would take away your separation protection freedoms, so if your honest with your infidel lifestyles, you better vote for GWB, or chance losing whatever rights you think you have, etc... MSN | Outlook, Office, Skype, Bing, Breaking News, and Latest Videos Kerry You don‘t help yourself with other nations when you turn away from the global warming treaty, for instance, or when you refuse to deal at length with the United Nations. You have to earn that respect. And I think we have a lot of earning back to do. LEHRER: Ninety seconds. BUSH: Let meI‘m not exactly sure what you mean, passes the global test, you take preemptive action if you pass a global test. My attitude is you take preemptive action in order to protect the American people, that you act in order to make this country secure. My opponent talks about me not signing certain treaties. Let me tell you one thing I didn‘t sign, and I think it shows the difference of our opinionthe difference of opinions. And that is, I wouldn‘t join the International Criminal Court. It‘s a body based in The Hague where unaccountable judges and prosecutors can pull our troops or diplomats up for trial. And I wouldn‘t join it. And I understand that in certain capitals around the world that that wasn‘t a popular move. But it‘s the right move not to join a foreign court that couldwhere our people could be prosecuted. My opponent is for joining the International Criminal Court. I just think trying to be popular, kind of, in the global sense, if it‘s not in our best interest makes no sense. I‘m interested in working with our nations and do a lot of it. But I‘m not going to make decisions that I think are wrong for America. This message has been edited by whatever, 10-01-2004 03:19 PM
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coffee_addict Member (Idle past 503 days) Posts: 3645 From: Indianapolis, IN Joined: |
whatever writes:
Unlike you, I actually took notes during the debate and remember something about it. Kerry critized GWB for not signing American to be a member of the World Court in the debate... Kerry criticized Bush for not cooperating with international efforts on polution and such. Bush dodged the issue completely and claimed that Kerry was criticizing him for the international court thing. I think Bush was hoping that people would have such a short memory enough to not notice how he dodged the point. I guessed it worked, as you've just demonstrated to us. For goodness's sake, please vote Democrat this November! Why? Bush is a right wing nutcase.
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Silent H Member (Idle past 5845 days) Posts: 7405 From: satellite of love Joined: |
World law threatens your freedoms As a question, do you believe that this is true for all other nations as well, or are their freedoms not threatened by international law in an international court? And am I to take it then that you are firmly against the trial of Milosevic and previous trials against serbian military commanders accused of genocide? holmes "...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)
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Dan Carroll Inactive Member |
Kerry brought up the World Court in the debate Remember how you were going on about intellectual dishonesty earlier? Well, your post isn't the post where irony died... it's the post where irony's beheading was videotaped and sent to the networks. You had a transcript of the debate presented to you one post before you said this. Open it. Hit ctrl+f. Type in "court". Hit enter. Lo and behold. The first to bring it up was Bush. This message has been edited by Dan Carroll, 10-01-2004 03:13 PM "If I had to write ten jokes about potholders, I don't think I could do it. But I could write ten jokes about Catholicism in the next twenty minutes. I guess I'm drawn to religion because I can be provocative without harming something people really care about, like their cars." -George Meyer, Simpsons writer
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Silent H Member (Idle past 5845 days) Posts: 7405 From: satellite of love Joined: |
Was anyone else baffled when Bush started rambling about not being able to "love" the wife of a soldier properly because he had sent her husband to his death?
That almost sounded like a shakesperian plot or greek tragedy. Or what about when he said something like "I know how they think" when refering to the rest of the international leaders? That sounded like he forgot he was talking about our friends for a second. Very condescending for a guy saying how important it was to have allies and treat them nicely. This message has been edited by holmes, 10-01-2004 03:17 PM holmes "...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)
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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
Sorry to bring this thread further off-topic, but what exactly is "World law" and how is it supposed to become sovereign over US law?
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coffee_addict Member (Idle past 503 days) Posts: 3645 From: Indianapolis, IN Joined: |
Here is part of the script from the debate. You can find it at CPD:
quote: This message has been edited by Lam, 10-01-2004 03:19 PM
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Dan Carroll Inactive Member |
Was anyone else baffled when Bush started rambling about not being able to "love" the wife of a soldier properly because he had sent her husband to his death? Yeah, that cracked my girlfriend up. She said something to the effect of, "what, you already killed the guy, now you're gonna nail his wife?" "If I had to write ten jokes about potholders, I don't think I could do it. But I could write ten jokes about Catholicism in the next twenty minutes. I guess I'm drawn to religion because I can be provocative without harming something people really care about, like their cars." -George Meyer, Simpsons writer
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coffee_addict Member (Idle past 503 days) Posts: 3645 From: Indianapolis, IN Joined: |
I doubted he actually knew how to use the ctrl+f thing so I posted part of the script about it for him.
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MisterOpus1 Inactive Member |
A little pressed for time, so I'll give my quick lowdown:
1. No need to state the obvious, but darnit it just tickles my funnybone - Kerry was the clear overall winner. Sheesh, even the Conservative commentators and bloggers stated as such. From William Rivers Pitt today:
quote: As one blogger put it, the split screen might have saved the election for Kerry. There were times that it seemed that Bush would forget that the camera would be focused on him at all times. Kerry played the camera extremely well. Kerry also kept his messages much more succinct and clearer than anticipated. Bush was clearly rattled, and was seemingly unprepared at times as he seemed quite repetitive of his message, even when his message was often times not entirely related to the question asked. 2. I completely agree with the post earlier regarding Kerry's opportunity to drive a dagger into Bush on his $87 billion funding. Kerry missed a major opportunity to turn the tables on Bush here. Nevertheless, I thought his rebuttal, though a bit weaker on substance, was good on display and tone. 3. I believe, too, that the tables turned when Kerry corrected the President about who attacked us. At that point the momentum clearly shifted in favor of Kerry, and Bush was left on the defensive from that point forward. Both his repetitive message and posture was quite revealing of this shift. 4. With all that said, I wonder just how good the conservative spinmeisters are going to be this time around. Are they going to successfully perform a shift on who won like they did with the Gore/Bush 1st debate in 2000, where it was clear Gore had won but in less than 2 days the conservative mouthpieces successfully convinced the media that Bush had won? I don't know, but I wouldn't count out that possibility, despite the clear winner in this situation. Limbaugh, Hannity, Fox, Novak, FreeRepublic, and the like are very powerful influencers, so I put nothing past them. 5. It would be completely foolish for Kerry and the Dems. to stand tall on this for very long. I saw the footage of Bush debating for the TX governor position, and he was extremely sharp and on point. Though he may have been a little rattled last night, do not count him out by a long shot. I still firmly believe he is a skilled debator, and his "dumbing down the message" techniques play a crucial role to those voters who hate to pay attention to details. 6. The next debate, the Town Hall venue, will play more to Bush's informal, "dumbing down the message" style of debate. I expect Bush to be more prepared and will probably do much better here. Another particular feature of the next debate will also favor Bush - the questions usually posed in these Town Hall venues are historically unprepared questions which create a more ad lib, quick on your feet type answer. That won't be the case for the next debate - all questions are known to both debators beforehand. I think this favors Bush because he's decidedly better at prepared Q&A sessions, plus it gives him the opportunity to repeat his ever-so-repetitive sound bites against Kerry. 7. I also see a possible future advantage for Bush after losing this 1st debate and it is this: the only direction for Bush to go is up. Conversely, the 2 directions for Kerry to go really is keep relatively even or go down. This "future direction of momentum" favors Bush, because it could at least appear that he has become stronger throughout the debates, while Kerry can, at best, appear staying relatively the same, and at worse, have his debating performance move downward. Overall, it was a great start for Kerry. According to the polls, the public majority believes we are going in the wrong direction, but unfortunately still had some questions and reservations about Kerry. I think Kerry moved very well with the latter, but I also feel the momentum shift can easily go right back to Bush with this 2nd and 3rd debate, even though this 1st debate on foreign policy was Bush's bread 'n' butta. And just in case you have any doubt as to who the Conservatives believe won or lost the debate, check out this e-mail from Newsmax:
quote: As one blogger stated, "Honestly, I'd swear I saw Lehrer grab Kerry's ass and give it a BIG squeeze, and when they kissed, did you see tongue, I swear I saw tongue." Man, I am absolutely loving the sour grapes here! This message has been edited by MisterOpus1, 10-01-2004 03:25 PM
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Silent H Member (Idle past 5845 days) Posts: 7405 From: satellite of love Joined: |
"what, you already killed the guy, now you're gonna nail his wife?" That might make a nice antiBush ad. He admits he sent men to die in battle, and then loved their wives. holmes "...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1530 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined: |
And who Rei ever told you that America is not arrogant?
Of course America is . America is arrogant, proud and powerful and anybody who does not like it T.F.B. All of you evolutionist must realize it is survival of the fittest. The big dog gets the bone. When it comes down to survival who would you rather be? a) the country with a weak military and no money or b.) The most powerful country on the planet? The US doesnt play fair, it plays to win, it takes what it wants and it changes the freaken rules to suit it's need.. But I for one am glad I live in this country and wouldnt live anywhere else. The funny thing is I do not see a mass exodus of Anti-American Americans fleeing our borders for some reason. For some reason we have a mass exodus of people wanting to be Americans. Wanting to live in this country. Why is that? I have lived abroad and have met many foreigners who hate America, but it is sour grapes. Screw them. We freed Europe during WWII and we Nuked Japan and ended the war. We halted the spread of Communism in Korea and stood against it in Vietnam. We won the cold war. We withstood a horrific act of terrorism and with all the might of our military destroyed the Taliban and freed Iraq. Whats next? Who wants some of this? All the blood spilled is nothing compared to what will be spilt if America ever becomes weak and complacent. You think those MF'ers are going to care about rules? I am obviously propagandized, I guess being military makes me see things differently. They criticize the president for seeing black and white, but sometimes it is us against them. Kerry criticized Bush for developing a new nuclear bunker buster,,, I say hell yeah develop one. You think those M.F'ers wouldnt develop one? I say If a ordinace is ineffective then make a bomb that will do the job. Thats how the commander in chief should think. NOT oh we shouldnt do that...thats not playing fair. In the immortal words of Larry the Cable guy..."Getter Done!!!!"
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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
You forgot to end your post with "etc..."
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