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Brad
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Message 1 of 41 (144887)
09-26-2004 6:58 PM


I posted something similar to this based on the Scott Adam's 'God's Debris' but figured it would make an interesting topic. Is the Christian God as seen in the Bible really omnipotent? Let's define omnipotent; everything is easy, there is no conceivable challenge for an omnipotent God. There is no motivation to act, because no stimulation is required for some(one/thing) that is omnipotent. All feeling and emotions already come in unlimited quantities if desired, but again, because of omnipotence, why are there any desires at all? What is left then for an all-powerful being? Some may argue that such an omnipotent being would create, to seek intellectual stimulation. But the omnipotent God already knows the outcome of his creation. Besides, there would be no challenge and therefore no stimulation in the creation.
The Christian God clearly shows none of these traits. The Christian God is often described as a jealous God, showing emotion, taking interest in the lives of his creation. What about the actions of the Christian God make him seem to be omnipotent? The stock Christian response is either God is Love or You’re trying to put God in a box. I know this because I’ve tried asking this of my Mom’s pastor, they really answer with things like that. The problem with the first statement of course goes back to the idea that an omnipotent being wouldn’t require or feel love, or if he wanted to would have it in unlimited amounts, this statement doesn’t even make sense to me in context. The second answer I got was even more absurd, how is trying to remove all limitations and restrictions on the way an omnipotent being acts putting him in a box? If anything giving him human characteristics and emotions is what confines the concept of God.
I have tried to explain some things that have been rolling around in my head for a while now and I would like some input. Is this an acceptable definition of omnipotence, and furthermore, does the Christian God display the same characteristics of an omnipotent God?
-Brad

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Brad
Member (Idle past 4815 days)
Posts: 143
From: Portland OR, USA
Joined: 01-26-2004


Message 13 of 41 (144973)
09-27-2004 1:46 AM


anyone else?
anyone else have anything to add to the topic of discussion? or were we done at message two. Also, Mike, how would you describe 'all powerful' or omnipotent? Was my description unfair in some way? Have I missed something?
-Brad

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Brad
Member (Idle past 4815 days)
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From: Portland OR, USA
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Message 20 of 41 (145175)
09-27-2004 8:53 PM


Thanks Chuck
That's sort of what I was looking for, the idea that God displaying any emotion would contradict the idea of omnipotence. But to take it a step further, wouldn't God taking ANY action also contradice the idea, as anything that any creature on this planet does (okay, I may be wrong on this) is based on some shortcoming? We eat because our bodies are not perfect and require energy, we love eachother so that we can live as a better unit and all benifit from all individuals. Again, are these assumptions somehow unfair? Are they biased in some way? I am trying to break them down to the most simple definition.
Brad

  
Brad
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Posts: 143
From: Portland OR, USA
Joined: 01-26-2004


Message 40 of 41 (147100)
10-04-2004 1:38 AM


EXCELLENT
I was waiting for this topic to get to this based on my first few posts, chuck, I like your thinking. So the only solution to this tricky omnipotent problem I can think of becomes, God doesn't act, in any way. What would motivate God to act? He would already know any outcome. There would be no challenge. Can you think of any reason an omnipotent God would act?
Brad

  
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