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crashfrog

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Message 3 of 41 (144894)
09-26-2004 7:34 PM

Man, atheists have it so much easier.

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09-26-2004 9:10 PM

Reply to: Message 5 by mike the wiz
09-26-2004 8:25 PM

You see Crash, atheists have it easy because they always take the negative [doubt]

Not doubt, scepticism.

I'm glad I live in Missouri, now, because the state motto fits so well. You guys know the Missouri state motto?

It's the "Show-Me State." You believe that there is a God? Show Me. You believe in aliens? Show Me.

and doubt has always been the easy path, I agree.

Oh, man, there is nothing easy about scepticism. It's a constant battle against lazy thinking. It requires eternal vigilance against confusing your hopes with the facts. It requires nerves of steel to say "I don't know yet" when an attractive fiction is already avaliable.

Believeing in fairy tales? That's easy. All you have to do is close your eyes.

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Message 8 of 41 (144930)
09-26-2004 9:40 PM

Reply to: Message 7 by mike the wiz
09-26-2004 9:33 PM

Listen, you're arguing with yourself dudeguy, you've just said atheists have it easy, all I did was agree.

You were wrong about what we had it easy about. Life for the atheist is hard, but better than the alternative of knowing self-deception. But at least we don't twist ourselves up in knots worrying about abilities fictional characters do or do not have.

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Message 11 of 41 (144950)
09-26-2004 11:35 PM

Reply to: Message 10 by Rrhain
09-26-2004 11:30 PM

Please explain to us how "nothing easy" can be read to mean "easy."

I think he was referring to my message 3 of this thread, where I said that atheists have it way easier.

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10-04-2004 2:17 AM

Reply to: Message 38 by General Nazort
10-03-2004 11:17 PM

Just because you are going to do an action doesn't mean that you did not choose of your own free will to do that action.

If there's only one possible outcome, you didn't have a choice.

Let's put it this way. I tell you to pick either apple or cherry pie. But no matter which one you pick, you get apple. Is there any coherent way that we can say that you really had a choice?

Choice requires the genuine potentiality of alternate outcomes. Predestination means that no alternatives are possible.

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