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riVeRraT
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Message 178 of 256 (146717)
10-02-2004 8:40 AM
Reply to: Message 175 by Rrhain
10-02-2004 7:13 AM


Re: float an ark
When my basement floods, there is a river of water running through it until the hydrolic pressure in the mountain stops. Usually very soon after the rain stops, then my basement is dry again.
I do not know what to call this other than a flood. You have another word for this?

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Message 179 of 256 (146718)
10-02-2004 8:42 AM
Reply to: Message 176 by Rrhain
10-02-2004 7:14 AM


Re: Ararat & the Black Sea
Main Entry: 1flood
Pronunciation: 'fl&d
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Old English flOd; akin to Old High German fluot flood, Old English flOwan to flow
1 a : a rising and overflowing of a body of water especially onto normally dry land; also : a condition of overflowing b capitalized : a flood described in the Bible as covering the earth in the time of Noah
2 : the flowing in of the tide
3 : an overwhelming quantity or volume; also : a state of abundant flow or volume
The rain I'm talking about is an over abundant flow.

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riVeRraT
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Message 182 of 256 (146849)
10-02-2004 8:35 PM
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10-02-2004 6:34 PM


Re: Ararat & the Black Sea
Stop comparing what I'm saying to the bible account.
If the mountains where flooded to almost the peaks, where the valleys were filled, and water was rushing everywhere, maybe even up and over some of those mountain peaks, and you were caught in the middle of all of it, and being washed out to see.
You would be screaming flood!
You also wouldn't care about wor games.
And all life would be gone.

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riVeRraT
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Message 185 of 256 (146881)
10-02-2004 10:09 PM
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10-02-2004 9:42 PM


Re: Ararat & the Black Sea
One thing at a time.
Seems that most people around here can't focus on one thing at a time.

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riVeRraT
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Message 186 of 256 (146882)
10-02-2004 10:10 PM
Reply to: Message 184 by crashfrog
10-02-2004 9:59 PM


The thing I find most amazing about you is how your not a scientists, yet you side with them all the time.
How much life exists at the top of mt.everest?

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riVeRraT
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Message 194 of 256 (147146)
10-04-2004 9:11 AM
Reply to: Message 188 by Rrhain
10-03-2004 6:00 AM


Re: Ararat & the Black Sea
I would be wondering where the hell the water came from. After all, if we had a mile's worth of water covering the land where the city of Albuquerque sits so that Sandia were almost covered, then we would need to have hundreds of miles of water surrounding the peak since there's nothing around to keep it pressed up against the mountain.
You see, this is where your logic fails. You still don't get it.
You don't need 100 miles of water for it to be flooded.
This is what I want to figure out specifically. Just how fast would it actually drain away.
The surrounding land, of any mountain range, would only be able to drain away a given rainfall amount. Anything greater than that amount, then it starts to back up.
Think of the gutters on your house, if the rainfall amount exceeds the drainage capicity of the gutter, it will over flow.
Also think of a simple stream/river that averages 3 feet in depth. Say the stream is 200 miles long. The begining of the stream could be a 1000ft above sea level, and the end would empty into the sea, yet the whole thing is 3 ft deep.
So what happens if it rains, the river gets deeper, because it can't handle the extra water. So just how much would it need to rain for it to really back up the way I am saying. Because to me a typical bad storm that may dump anywhere from 4-10" of rain in a 24 hour period, causes major flooding, and it takes days for it to "run-off".
So what if it rained 4" per hour for forty days and nights.
Its obvious the highest mountain peaks would stick out with only minimal flooded, or wettness, but everything after that? Where the mountains meet the plains it might look like niagra falls.
You see everyone here keeps thinking small. Like showing me pictures of one mountain, or one slope. You need to think of the bigger picture, and how it would flood. A mountain is usually part of a mounatin range, where the whole range would flood. The valleys and rivers would only be able to run the water off so fast, then it would start backing up into the mountains, all while being above sea level.
The highest part of the mountain range would stick out, but everything after that would have an accumulation of rain, not just what fell on it.
If we can figure this out, then we can take it to the next step, of it would fit into the story from the bible.

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riVeRraT
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Message 195 of 256 (147147)
10-04-2004 9:16 AM
Reply to: Message 191 by crashfrog
10-03-2004 2:08 PM


but I make a habit of not advancing idiotic propositions, like yours.
Of course not, your too busy calling people idiots.
When you get four inches of filthy stagnant water in your basement, is the result more or less living organisms than there were before?
This helps me, not disproves what I'm saying.
How could a flood that only comes up to your ankles and is gone in a few hours extinguish all life on Earth?
When its moving at 100 miles per hour.
And its 40 days and nights, not a few hours. Where did you get a few hours from, care to explain that logic?

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riVeRraT
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Message 196 of 256 (147148)
10-04-2004 9:25 AM
Reply to: Message 192 by arachnophilia
10-04-2004 3:25 AM


Re: Ararat & the Black Sea
Thats great, but thats a Goddunit answer.
Which is also fine with me. God can do anything he wants.
He can create and destroy anything, just by speaking it.
All we are trying to do is casually see if there is enough water on the planet to actually flood the planet. Science says there isn't. I say there might be, not totally sure, beacuse its a relativly large world compared to my feeble mind. I make this hypothesis based on observations I see around me.
and the rat has been known to make a few doozies in his time.
Care to share what doozies you are talking about. About the only one I can think of is the stupid common sense thread, which I still stand by my statment. Other than that, I quote the bible, and get percecuted.
If I wasn't a Christian, this thread would be totally different.

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riVeRraT
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Message 197 of 256 (147149)
10-04-2004 9:28 AM
Reply to: Message 187 by edge
10-02-2004 11:41 PM


Re: Ummm...
Its not totally amazing, because I used to do the same thing. But I wouldn't start sticking my neck out and speaking for them.
He displays anger in his posts. What for? Because he thinks I'm stupid? Or because I am a Christian?

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riVeRraT
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Message 200 of 256 (147268)
10-04-2004 7:00 PM
Reply to: Message 198 by CK
10-04-2004 9:44 AM


Re: Ararat & the Black Sea
Boiled alive, if thats true would disprove my theory. But being boiled alive is only a theory by rei. Other things may factor in, that would allow cooling of the atmosphere.

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riVeRraT
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Message 201 of 256 (147269)
10-04-2004 7:03 PM
Reply to: Message 199 by crashfrog
10-04-2004 11:59 AM


Its a constant cycle that last for forty days.
Its called raining.

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riVeRraT
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Message 205 of 256 (147284)
10-04-2004 7:53 PM
Reply to: Message 202 by CK
10-04-2004 7:15 PM


Re: Ararat & the Black Sea
See this is the problem - you don't seem to understand what you are saying. For that for to be true (and thus for the flood to occur) would require quite different laws of physics than actually exist.
For you and crash frog. If you were following along, you would have read, that I wasnot going to discuss what would actually cause the flood. Only if it rained like I said, what would happen, and how exactly would the earth look.
After we figure out if it is at all possible, we can discuss what would have caused it, and what Noah saw from his view point.
This is only a casual discussion, I don't really care either way if the flood occured or not. I managed to learn something in the process, what rei was saying about the atmosphere heating up.

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riVeRraT
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Message 207 of 256 (147287)
10-04-2004 7:59 PM
Reply to: Message 203 by Coragyps
10-04-2004 7:42 PM


I understand that perfectly. Lets see what rainfall amount wouldn't boil Noah, and what that would do to the earth.
Why wouldn't the heat be given up to space?
If something was heating the oceans up just enough to cause this condition, wouldn't that increase atmospheric pressure over the ocean, and expand it into space further?
I also don't think that it would require that much of an increase in the tempurature of the ocean to make this happen, at least not boiling. Look at what happens with el-nino. Imagine if that was 10 times worse, what it would to do the weather.
Yes I am just throwing around numbers, sorry.

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riVeRraT
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Message 211 of 256 (147379)
10-05-2004 1:45 AM
Reply to: Message 206 by crashfrog
10-04-2004 7:55 PM


Well thats just great.
And I believe you.

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riVeRraT
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Message 212 of 256 (147381)
10-05-2004 2:03 AM
Reply to: Message 208 by DrJones*
10-04-2004 8:29 PM


Ok, I understand. Here is another question then.
Is the amount of heat generated linear in fashion in comparison to the tempurature?
In other words, the hotter it gets, the harder it is to get hotter?
I would imagine there would be a threshold of some sort, besides the latent heat of evopration, which is too hot already.
Another thought, if the process that was causing the evaporation was thrusting the water higher up in the atmosphere than usual, it would be subjected to lower atmospheric pressure, which would reduce the boiling point, and it may actually boil off, and lose a lot of its energy, and heat. What do you think?

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