Existence of Noah's Ark

Well thats just great.
And I believe you.

Ok, I understand. Here is another question then.
Is the amount of heat generated linear in fashion in comparison to the tempurature?In other words, the hotter it gets, the harder it is to get hotter?
I would imagine there would be a threshold of some sort, besides the latent heat of evopration, which is too hot already.Another thought, if the process that was causing the evaporation was thrusting the water higher up in the atmosphere than usual, it would be subjected to lower atmospheric pressure, which would reduce the boiling point, and it may actually boil off, and lose a lot of its energy, and heat. What do you think?

Thats not entirely true jar, I understand that already.

If you understand that, why do you keep saying that the heat could be lost to space?

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. Meteorology is not my bag so I have no answer to this. But even if the water "lost" its heat/energy, where would it go? Energy can be neither created nor destroyed, it only changes forms. If the water "lost" the energy something would have to gain it. The energy/heat would be transferred to something else and you'd be back to cooking the planet.

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*not an actual doctor

Good stuff.

WEll, I'm not sure either. I really didn't think enough about it.
I just blurted something out.
I guess it would be linear.If it lost its heat, it would lose it to space. Space is mighty cold.
Not only that it would be colder than the atmosphere as it fell back down, and would have a cooling effect. Like a giant cooling tower.I am picturing what happens in thunderheads, to a greater degree. Thats where hail comes from, you know that.

whatever, you are so totally out of your depth here (pardon the pun) You are so far from knowing enough it is hard for you to post a line without messing it up and it gets very tiresome to reply. (which is why you see little of me).Space may have a low temperature but it has a very small specific heat. (google that -- it means space can't cool things off very well -- space stations require ways to get rid of heat since it is hard to do in a vacuum bottle -- remember the picture you were shown).

So you're saying that all the water vapour will rise up to the very very edge of the atmosphere, lose its heat to space and then come back down as rain?. That's ludicrous. Water vapour condenses into liquid water when its temperature drops to a certain point, if the water vapour doesn't cool down until it hits the end of the atmosphere that means the atmosphere has to be incredibly hot down at ground level. As rain falls it gains kinetic energy from motion and thermal energy from air friction. Rain gets hotter as it falls.Going back to my first paragraph, the rain coming down from the edge of space would gather an insane amount of kinetic energy that would be released when it hit the ground, again increasing the temperature on the ground. Once again you're having a giant barbecue with Noah and the animals.This message has been edited by DrJones*, 10-05-2004 02:05 AMedited to add: I reccomend going down to your nearest library and picking up introductory texts in meteorology and heat transfer. Study them in your free time.This message has been edited by DrJones*, 10-05-2004 02:14 AM

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*not an actual doctor

Well, I do own a HVAC business, and happen to know a little about dissapation of heat with liquids.If water was exposed to the vacum of space with heat in it, before it could freeze it might boil off and lose its heat to space during that process. The boiling point of water lowers in a vacum.

I will.

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If water was exposed to the vacum of space with heat in it, before it could freeze it might boil off and lose its heat to space during that process. The boiling point of water lowers in a vacum.

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And how does it get there? All you have done is open up a second front in your argument!This message has been edited by Charles Knight, 10-05-2004 09:19 AM

I believe I explained that already.
I am not claiming that any of this is true, just talking about it with the experts.

who keep telling you that it's rubbish - so why don't you accept that it will not float,fly or disappear into space?How many more people need to tell you this?

I think I see what you are trying to say. You feel that the water could reach space, boil in the low pressure environment, and then transfer heat into space. Correct me if I'm wrong.Space can be thought of as an insulator. Because it is very nearly a vacuum, there is very little material for the heat to flow into and be carried away. That isn't to say that space around the Earth and other planets is completely empty, there are detectable, tenuous gases far above the surface of the Earth, but these are at such low concentration that they don't really have much effect.My point is that space could not transfer a significant amount of heat out of the Earth's atmosphere in the case of condensation after a global flood of the type written of in the Old Testament. It is not unreasonable to assume that it never happened, due to the lack of evidence anyway.Edit: I've thought of an analogy. Think of a Thermos bottle. It is composed of two metal layers, with a vacuum in between. If you pour hot coffee into the Thermos bottle, it will stay warm, because there is no medium to carry the heat from the hot metal inside to the outer layer of metal. (What little heat does escape goes through the lid, which is not a perfect seal and allows some heat transfer.) So it is with the Earth. Heat cannot escape because it can't cross a vacuum.This message has been edited by Gary, 10-05-2004 07:30 PM