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Author Topic:   Whatever gets to take a break (suspension)
coffee_addict
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Message 30 of 41 (147991)
10-07-2004 2:53 AM
Reply to: Message 27 by sidelined
02-01-2004 1:38 AM


Re: Whatever's suspension lifted
sidelined writes:
The more science that can be properly discussed [at all levels] the better peoples critical thinking skills will become regardless.
This is what I used to think. However, through some demonstrations by various people, whose names I'm not going to mention but should be obvious enough, I think there are other problems which prevent people from benefiting from scientific discussions.
Take 'whatever' for example. I must admit that he/she appears to be much more calm than me, and that suggests maturity. However, the contents of his/her posts are those of a child. I have yet to see any real coherent discussion carried out by anyone with 'whatever' simply because it's impossible to. Everytime a point has been made that comes in conflict with his views, it is simply brushed aside and ignored no matter what. One of the most notable and recent examples is the presidential debate thread, which Shraf tried to engage 'whatever' in a discussion but failed.
This is a clear case of everything-that-comes-in-one-ear-goes-out-the-other-ear.
I absolutely don't see how discussions about science can help people like 'whatever'. In order for it to have any usefulness, it must be picked up by 'whatever'. However, since there's really no indication that he's learning anything from past discussions, how can we expect him/her to learn anything from something as complex as the various scientific disciplines? He, and many others, are still struggling with something as simple as the scientific method.
Personally, I still don't know of anyway to get through to these people, although sometimes I admire them for being able to live in the dark like that.

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coffee_addict
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Posts: 3645
From: Indianapolis, IN
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Message 35 of 41 (148132)
10-07-2004 2:42 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by Admin
10-07-2004 10:05 AM


Re: Logically Challenged
Admin writes:
This leads to the question, are there any Creationists out there capable of making sense? The question is rhetorical, because of course there are. So the more relevant question is, why aren't capable Creationists coming here? What are we doing wrong? I really want to know.
Isn't it possible that there are no true blood creationists that are capable of coherent thoughts? The ones that are capable of carrying on coherent conversations seem to be hybrids (correct me if I'm wrong).
The problem I see here is the difference in methodology. If you are coherent enough then you would probably be able to see the flaws in the creationist method of inquiry. I really think this is the number one reason why we hardly ever get any true blood creationists that is not a crackpot.
I'm actually serious about what I'm going to suggest. What if we lower the standards of debate guidelines in certain forums? What if we start allowing simple assertions be accepted as facts in, like, the "pseudo-science forum" for example? Would this be possible? Of course people are free to not participate in such a forum (I personally wouldn't).

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