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Adminnemooseus Administrator Posts: 3974 Joined: |
Percy said:
quote:Fortunately, there is a copy of the entire topic, available at http://EvC Forum: Forum: Christian Ideology -->EvC Forum: Forum: Christian Ideology quote:http://EvC Forum: Forum: Christian Ideology -->EvC Forum: Forum: Christian Ideology might be a good place. Adminnemooseus
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Adminnemooseus Administrator Posts: 3974 Joined: |
There has been at least two discussions of moderation procedures happening elsewhere.
One involves DNAunion, Mr. Hambre, and perhaps others. This lead up to Admin's message in the "Data, Information, and all that." topic. I will, at least for now, make no comment on the above cited. The other is in the "Who do you miss at EvC?" topic, which lead up to this message from Mammuthus:
quote: I do think that extra protection is needed, for the endangered species "Creationist". If a rigorous guideline enforcement was done on the creationist side, we well might end up with a "creationist free zone" here. Per specific members: Syamsu - I think the perceived problem(s) would be minimized, if the offended members of the evolution side could enforce some self restraint. They complain that Syamsu is not worth replying to, yet they continue to do the replies. Often that descends into what seems to be trying to fight stupidity with stupidity. If you find Syamsu to be so offensive, just ignore him. SLPx (Scott Page) - I certainly have had my conflicts with SLPx, including having issued at least 1 of his (at least) 3 suspensions. I must, however, point out that SLPx's current suspension was issued by Admin/Percy. The suspension announcement can be found here, in the "Evolution and Probability" topic. As is the case with any suspended member, SLPx is welcome to contact Admin/Percy by e-mail, to request reinstatement. Apparently SLPx has never done such. Darwin's Terrier - Yes, a 4 day suspension was heavy handed, in dealing with the "little joke". But I thought a little heavy handedness would be useful, in making a strong impression upon DT and others. Subtlety does not seem to work. Anyhow, DT has posted once since the suspension. Since then, I have also personally e-mailed DT, explaining my position and attempting to welcome him back into participation. Crashfrog - I think that my relationship with Crashfrog is well documented elsewhere. Essentially, I am focusing in on him as being the greatest of the "pile on the creationist" culprits. All I am trying to do, is to get him to slow down some, including to give others of the evolution side some space to post some messages. I strongly suspect there are a lot of the evolution side out there, who think "Well, I'd like to say something here, but Crashfrog has already covered it". I have also (as minnemooseus) sometimes challenged what I have perceived as Crashfrog presenting "shaky science". That is certainly my right, as a member of . If Crashfrog and others want to interpret that as administrative bias, that's their problem. Mr. Hambre - I think I have attempted to suppress some of Mr. Hambre's misplaced attempts at humor, but it all, I do have a high respect for his input. In particular, I very much liked what he had to say at the "Finding Darwin's God" topic. Quetzal, mark24, holmes, schraf - I don't recall having had any substantial problems with messages from these people. I know I have given Quetzal and Holmes "Posts of the Month" nominations. I have tried to recruit Quetzal, Holmes, Mark, (and Mammuthus) as moderators, without success. I make that comment now, despite my general reluctance to make moderator recruitment a public discussion. The bottom line is, that we need more self-moderation by various members. It is beyond the practical abilities of the various admins/moderators to control things, short of many topic closures and suspensions happening. Cheers,Adminnemooseus
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Adminnemooseus Administrator Posts: 3974 Joined: |
Personally, I find the writings of DNAunion to be akin to those of Brad McFall, only with better structure.
My impression is that DNAunion is one who is obsessed with "information theory". I could phase this as being a "techno-lawyer". With the exception of Admin/Percy, I don't think any of the moderating staff have any interest in, or feel for dealing with "information theory" type discussion. My thoughts are, if you wish to do discussions with the likes of Syamsu, Brad McFall, DNAunion, a certain others, you're pretty much on your own. If you have serious problems with doing such, then don't do it. Overall conclusion - I certainly don't think I have the insight or powers to fix all, or even most of the various perceived problems at this forum. If anyone thinks I do, they have massively overestimated my abilities. Adminnemooseus ps to all - Responses to other moderation issues are also in the works, but with my feeble intellect, it takes me a fair amount of time.
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Adminnemooseus Administrator Posts: 3974 Joined: |
I certainly think that the title needs improving.
At the time I moved the topic, the "geologic ages" consideration caused me to put it into the "Dates and Dating" forum. Indeed, perhaps the "Geology..." forum would be the better place. I'm not yet going to re-move the topic. Let's see where it goes first. Thanks,Adminnemooseus
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Adminnemooseus Administrator Posts: 3974 Joined: |
I must defer to AdminNosy's opinion on the matter, as he is far more up the the situation than I am.
That said, the The Reluctant Messenger book and the related website looks to have good potential of being its own topic. Perhaps you would like to start the "The Reluctant Messenger" topic in the "Book Nook" forum? Adminnemooseus Comments on moderation procedures? - Go to Change in Moderation? or Thread Reopen Requests
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Adminnemooseus Administrator Posts: 3974 Joined: |
JT, at message 199 of the The Nature of Scientific Inquiry - Contrasted with Creation "Science" topic:
JT writes: I have a question for anybody. Ever since Jar requested that I "use the little red button," my post count has increased dramatically and the topic's activity meter has spiked (both of which I think are cool), but I was wondering if the numerous small posts are annoying? Thanks. Much of this question is, as I see it, a "symptom" (for lack of a better term) of the creationist vs. evolutionist imbalance here at . One creationist posting results in multiple evolutionist member responses. How does the creationist handle it? This is a question with no easy answer. Personally, I'm inclined to favor the large unified message instead of fragmenting things into mini-messages. To do this, however, one should probably use the "General Reply" button, which does not connect the response to any specific message. Unless (I guess) the primary message responded to can be selected. If the creationist's gung-ho were up to it, s/he could list the individual message names and numbers as s/he responds to multiple message by one message. Comments from others? Adminnemooseus
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Adminnemooseus Administrator Posts: 3974 Joined: |
I note that JT has used the "reply to many in 1 message method" here.
I know that this is (more or less) what I suggested above, but seeing it in reality, I see that there is no advantage to having done the individual messages, and there is the disadvantage that the message links are lost. I recomend that the individual message method be gone back to. Perhaps further comments from me later. Adminnemooseus
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Adminnemooseus Administrator Posts: 3974 Joined: |
What is your favorite comic book? Adminnemooseus
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Adminnemooseus Administrator Posts: 3974 Joined: |
In my signature I include a link to this topic (as below). Members seem to rarely make use of that link.
I would truly prefer that responses to the moderator interjections (by their nature off-topic) at the various debate topics, not be responded to (more off-topic) at those topics. Please bring the moderation issue discussion (with a link to the message in question) to this topic. This will reduce the topic disruption at the other topics, and will unify discussion of moderation issues into one location. Thanks,Adminnemooseus Comments on moderation procedures (or wish to respond to admin messages)? - Go to Change in Moderation? or Thread Reopen Requests |
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Adminnemooseus Administrator Posts: 3974 Joined: |
quote: Very perceptive of you. There is an ongoing discussion about this very concept, in the "Private Admin Forum". I had just bumped the topic early this morning. Care to become an administrator? Please don't respond in this topic. Rather, send me an e-mail at mnmoose@lakenet.com Adminnemooseus
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Adminnemooseus Administrator Posts: 3974 Joined: |
Sounds like a wonderful idea!!!
After the summaries are done, there would be the option of going back to "normal mode". AM
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Adminnemooseus Administrator Posts: 3974 Joined: |
At the "Junk DNA..." topic:
Crashfrog:
quote: My reply:
quote: Willowtree's reply to me (he also quoted the Crashfrog bit):
quote: For now, no further comment. Adminnemooseus {Above 3 links edited to reflect topic move to "Boot Camp" forum - AM} This message has been edited by Adminnemooseus, 10-08-2004 01:51 PM
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Adminnemooseus Administrator Posts: 3974 Joined: |
I figured any perceived insult reflects worse on you than on me.
I think most members have licence to insult away at least a bit (at the risk of above comment situation). Rocket, however, didn't have that licence. Any digital lip out of him, and he was gone. Adminnemooseus ps: Ya know, both "licence" and "license" are considered correct spellings?
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Adminnemooseus Administrator Posts: 3974 Joined: |
It was an odd couple of days.
10/6/04 (1:22 pm) - I start a new topic, based on something Whatever said in the Which religion's creation story should be taught? topic. 10/7/04 (1:04 am) - Later in the same topic, I suspend Whatever. and 10/7/04 (3:59 pm) - I rebuke Crashfrog, pertaining his forum relationship to John A. Davison (Salty). 10/7/04 (6:52 pm) - Later in the same topic, I suspend JAD/Salty. Adminnemooseus ps: JAD is back.
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Adminnemooseus Administrator Posts: 3974 Joined: |
I apologize for not reopening the topic in question. If you had only submitted the request to the "Thread Reopen Requests" topic, things might have been different. Now, since you only get one such reopen request, we shall never know.
Adminnemooseus Comments on moderation procedures (or wish to respond to admin messages)? - Go to Change in Moderation? or Thread Reopen Requests or Considerations of topic promotions from the Proposed New Topics forum
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