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Author Topic:   Why do Christians make God out to be dumb?
jar
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Message 164 of 259 (142516)
09-15-2004 11:00 AM
Reply to: Message 158 by portmaster1000
09-14-2004 8:54 PM


Re: Double Standard?
I agree that it is a double standard. From a Christian perspective, IMHO both good and evil are the products of just folk. It is not reasonable to assign good to GOD but evil to man, and even worse in my opinion to assign evil to yet another supernatural critter, Satan.
People are responsible for their actions, whether good or evil. The message of religion, Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, or any other stripe is that you should try your best to do good.

Oh Lord, Bless this thy handgrenade...


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jar
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Message 208 of 259 (148554)
10-08-2004 11:00 PM
Reply to: Message 207 by Charles Munroe
10-08-2004 10:50 PM


Re: Contradiction
It's only a problem for those who insist on a literal reading of the bible.

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jar
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Message 211 of 259 (148647)
10-09-2004 10:26 AM
Reply to: Message 209 by Charles Munroe
10-09-2004 5:35 AM


Re: Contradiction
Sure. I have the interpretation that the Bible was written by mere humans with the knowledge, limitations and point of view of their time.
The Bible, in this case actually the Torah (the Laws) were just that, the Laws of a period. They change, as all laws do, as we move through the times of the Bible.
Could be that we have advanced beyond the crudeness of the Old Testament which appears to be written my humans that certainly aren't inspired by God.
While I happen to believe the Bible was inspired by GOD, it is also obvious that it was written by men (both specificly and genericly) and so reflects the period and beliefs when written.
But we have not moved all that far from stoning homosexuals. It's too bad.

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jar
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Message 213 of 259 (148731)
10-09-2004 8:32 PM
Reply to: Message 212 by Charles Munroe
10-09-2004 3:54 PM


Re: Contradiction
Charles, if you were living in 2000 BC, would they seem strange or harsh? You are looking through today's eyes, and not through the eyes of the authors.

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jar
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Message 230 of 259 (353161)
09-29-2006 3:11 PM
Reply to: Message 227 by ringo
09-29-2006 2:30 PM


The believe at the time ...
was that atonement was an ongoing task, one that should go one continuously but that takes on special meaning coming up right now. We are about to enter Yom Kippur, the Day of Atonement. One thing that is clear is that atonement is NOT something that can be done through a third party. It is what you do, the personal acknowledgement of your own failings, the personal effort you make at reconciliation, that is important. Yom Kippur is the day when you need to stop, to take stock of YOUR relationship with others and with GOD.

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jar
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Message 240 of 259 (353288)
09-30-2006 2:31 PM
Reply to: Message 239 by nwr
09-30-2006 12:40 PM


Re: The believe at the time ...
While I must admit that I too am constantly amazed by robins flights of fancy, it really has nothing to do with the post he was replying to or the thread itself.
There are though many Christians that make God appear both dumb and cruel. The idea that Jesus died as a condition of GOD forgiving Man and then making it selective and conditional so that the sacrifice only has meaning if some other condition is satisfied is a good example. It makes God look silly, childish and petty.

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jar
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Message 245 of 259 (353294)
09-30-2006 3:36 PM
Reply to: Message 243 by nwr
09-30-2006 2:57 PM


Re: The believe at the time ...
I don't think jar considers it a book of lies.
Of course I don't consider it a book of lies, rather one that transmits major and important truths and lessons. But again, many Christians make not just God seem studid and petty, but by making silly statements like "I'm past being surprised at anything jar says, but it is remarkable that someone who apparently treats the Bible as a book of lies except for the resurrection could call it inspired." make themselves and similar Christians look stupid as well. It is sad, pathetic and pitiful and one can only feel sorry for such people.
GOD is awesome and wondrous, and those Christians that work so hard to make God look like a bling-bling pimp daddy or that insist on denying the very evidence of the the Universe GOD created worship the Bible instead of GOD.

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