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tsig
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Message 1 of 85 (148553)
10-08-2004 10:54 PM


A worldwide flood should have worldwide effects so why do we not see grand canyons on all continents??

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tsig
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Message 4 of 85 (148657)
10-09-2004 11:49 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by IrishRockhound
10-09-2004 10:31 AM


Moot point
A worldwide flood could not have produced the Grand Canyon, so the point is somewhat moot.
Of course, but if there had been there and it made the Grand Canyon there should be more grand canyons. The lack of them leaves a gaping hole in all of the YEC theories.
Thanks for the reply!!

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Message 7 of 85 (148711)
10-09-2004 6:32 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by roxrkool
10-09-2004 12:19 PM


no other uplifts
But a reason for why there isn't another Grand Canyon? I suppose it would be because something happened in the Grand Canyon region that didn't happen in other places (e.g., tectonics caused by the flood waters resulted in uplift of the Colorado Plateau), or the rocks were just right, or the water was channeled just right in that area
Uplift has the same problem as the the Grand Canyon. Why did it not uplift anywhere else?

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Message 12 of 85 (148928)
10-10-2004 3:24 PM
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10-10-2004 2:23 AM


Waiting
what about the valles marineris on mars?
oh wait.
Sea vallys?

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tsig
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Message 15 of 85 (148947)
10-10-2004 5:32 PM
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10-10-2004 5:13 PM


Re: Waiting
Thanks, great pic!

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Message 16 of 85 (148949)
10-10-2004 5:39 PM
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10-10-2004 5:24 PM


Re: Waiting
it was a joke. a world wide flood on earth could not possibly have caused a canyon on mars.
Of course the question is where did the Martian water go. It's obvious that God decided to punish the Martians at the same time he wanted a flud on Earth, so he killed two birds with one stone.

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Message 19 of 85 (148972)
10-10-2004 8:23 PM
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10-10-2004 6:23 PM


Re: Waiting
Europa of course. The Europeans were especially sinful so God still isn't done flooding them.
Well it's possible that after the earth flud god decided to use the water on Europa, but Earth will not take a back seat on sinning and needing punishment on any body. Guess it might have been a three way cusion.

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Message 20 of 85 (149205)
10-11-2004 8:58 PM
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10-10-2004 1:42 AM


Second look
I don't know, however, the same question can be asked of the mainstream interpretation. What DID cause the uplift of the Colorado Plateau? What about the Uncompahgre uplift? What about the Gunnison uplift? We have ideas, theories, all backed by data, but we weren't there. We can never be 100% certain.
I took a second look at this answer and you are right, I had my mind going the other way. The problem is that the river cut through the mountain.

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Message 22 of 85 (149504)
10-12-2004 7:44 PM
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10-12-2004 12:47 PM


evo and creo same problem
The answer, of course, is the same one main stream geologists give for the same question: why didn't geology create a grand canyon on every continent?
Because it was a result of local conditions not found anywhere else. The structure of the rocks, the lay of the land, the water flow patterns all were different and only in this one place did God in his glory choose to create such a singular monument to his splendour.
So both sides have the same problem, maybe this is one thing they might agree about. How shall we solve this, read the bible or go look for ourselves, accept scientific opinion or creation science?

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Message 24 of 85 (149514)
10-12-2004 9:02 PM
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10-12-2004 7:50 PM


Re: evo and creo same problem
Who has the better explanation for what you see?
Science, the bible's just another book on the library shelf. Kept hoping a creo would stop by.
thanks

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Message 27 of 85 (149526)
10-12-2004 9:34 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by Yaro
10-12-2004 9:18 PM


why the rivers
This presents a problem to the creationist viewpoint since, if the canyons are all a product of the receeding waters, then how come so many have streams/rivers running thrugh them?
Because water follows gravity, so as the water ran off the land it followed the path of least resistance, so the rivers naturally followed in the path of the flood torrents. So the rivers are proof ofthe flood. If you can make it up as you go along facts will never bother you.

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Message 28 of 85 (149528)
10-12-2004 9:39 PM
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10-12-2004 9:27 PM


Re: Another interesting bit...
posted mine before I saw your other. You deserved a better reply, you put a lot of effort in it.

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tsig
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Message 30 of 85 (149544)
10-12-2004 10:33 PM
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10-12-2004 9:47 PM


Re: Another interesting bit...
I don't know, when i saw the Grand Canyon it was obvious I was looking into millions of years.

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Message 38 of 85 (149752)
10-13-2004 7:25 PM
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10-13-2004 12:44 PM


Re: Another interesting bit...
I'd rather not drag this thread off-topic with a response that will most likely distract other posters,thus attracting the attention of the Moose, the Cat or the Queen. I'll look at the other forums for a more suitable forum, or you can suggest one.

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tsig
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Message 59 of 85 (162176)
11-21-2004 11:58 PM
Reply to: Message 50 by Spicket
11-18-2004 2:43 PM


Re: One Grand Canyon
I'll go ya one further - if the earth is so old, shouldn't we find evidence of its age, in the form of multiple Grand Canyons, on more than one continent? Or was the Colorado river the only river in the world to have been around so long as to CARVE OUT A DITCH HUNDREDS OF FEET DEEP FOR SO MANY MILES? Uh... yeah. Doesn't it seem more likely that a single catastophic event would be responsible for the formation of a single anomaly? Please respond.
There's only one Grand Canyon because that's the name we give to this particular geological feature. There are in fact many grand canyons in the world.

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