Does god have free will?

Funny you should mention that because some believe that the number that represents God is Zero. Your a brillant theologian.

Free will is only possible without god. All religions demand the surrender of the will before we can see the truth.

Well, I think GN's Message 35 sums it up pretty well. It is a very fancy way of saying god has no free will:

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Yes - the only thing God cannot do is go against his nature.-- GN

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Unless there are other people that wants to address this point, I think we are about done with it. However, I don't think it is fair if you close it down. People of the future may want to bring this up again. We are talking about free will, aren't we? People are getting off topic, and that's what free will is. This message has been edited by Lam, 10-13-2004 10:09 PM

Hahahaha. I didn't see that one coming.

Sorry Yaro, in keeping w/the Topic and appeasing the Admins, I've removed that which didn't pertain to the Free-Will of God.

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That's just it, he didn't have to lay down his life for us! In fact, the very act is meaningless. How can God die? God can be made man and die 100 times and he will be none the worse for wear because he's God! See what I'm saying?

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Meanwhile were all left down here suffering.

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A FINE example of God excercising Free-Will would be in how He willingly came down and gave His Life for Us. Jesus not excercising His own Free Will, but that of His Fathers. Also, if you do/did read scripture, you'd realize that Jesus also became hungry, tired and everything else me & you suffer from down here. He willigly chose things things to show us His Humanity and because only His Blood could wash away our sins, instead of the sacrificial way the Jews did in the Old Testament.Luke 22:41-42
And He was withdrawn from them about a stone's throw, and He knelt down and prayed, saying, "Father, if it is Your will, take this cup away from Me; nevertheless not My will, but Yours, be done."

Blood is exactly the way they did it in the old testament, so the new testament is also drenched in blood? If blood could wash away sins, we'd all be holy for surely you were born in your mother's blood.

I have an odd way of looking at it. Adam and Eve were not so much kicked out of the Garden as the Garden was kicked out of them. That is when they really knew what Free Will was, when they did not live in Daddys Paradise any longer. What a limitless opportunity! We still have not found anything better than what Daddy wanted us to have all along, however.

Does god have free will?If we say no, then god becomes a robot, with no choice but to create the universe and the whole plan of salvation.If yes, then God is not unchanging and could arbitrarily change the rules tomorrow and could commit sin.We could also say we don’t know, but that seems like dodging the question.I’m sure there are other possibilities.

Thanks for bumping this thread... very interesting.Atheists and Christians (and the Bible) are all guilty of athropomorphising God. Christians are even better at stipulating what God can and cannot do based upon "interpretation" of scripture. I'm happy to claim what God can do, but I don't think I'd ever be so bold as to dogmatically state that God cannot do something (even if that something is lie, sin or perform evil, whatever these words mean in the context of God.)As for free-will, it is a human concept, based upon our knowledge of linear single-threaded conciousness. It is suggested that my free-will is merely an illusion and is actually an emergent property of my highly non-linear, multi-processing but ultimately deterministic brain.Does God have free-will? Not in any way we understand the concept.
So does God not have free-will? Not in any way we understand the concept.Is that any better than we don’t know

Of course free will is a human concept, but then, so is god.If free will is an illusion how do we deal with the problem of evil?If human concepts do not apply to god then it is impossible to talk about god. This is the same as saying god does not exist.

The qualities that are usually assigned to god, omnipotence, omniscience, etcetera, are qualities little children believe about their parents. It’s easy to see how the belief in an almighty father gives way to a belief in an Almighty Father. Please clarify, was Paradise the opportunity?

Nah...just the previews.

Never saw them.

The bible tells us who god is exactly. We just make interpretations of what we think he is because we can't understand what is written. My belief is that God does have free will. He won't change his mind because he knows what he want and anything he does not want is sin. He gives us free will, but since he knows all; he knows what we will choose and waits for us to choose before he acts. I believe the visions given to us, for example, in revelations are plainly telling us he already knows the Alpha and Omega. No limitations at all on his actions because who could dare think of judging him? He is the ruler/creator of all that was, is, and will be.

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No limitations at all on his actions because who could dare think of judging him?

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Do humans have the same ability as God to know the difference between Good and Evil?This message has been edited by schrafinator, 09-25-2005 08:56 PM