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purpledawn Member (Idle past 3480 days) Posts: 4453 From: Indiana Joined: |
quote: The man asked "What good thing must I do to get eternal life?Jesus gave him the list of things to do. Then he added if the man wanted to be perfect to sell all and he would have treasures in heaven. These are all actions, works, things that can be done. Jesus hadn't been crucified yet, so the supposed debt had not been paid yet. Nothing was bought. A gentle answer turns away wrath, But a harsh word stirs up anger.
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PecosGeorge Member (Idle past 6895 days) Posts: 863 From: Texas Joined: |
Assuming I have purchased my lucky underpants and not taken them off you to have them for myself, coveting does not apply. Assuming I need the things I have purchased to live life reasonably up-to-date, coveting does not apply again.
But if I have all the necessities of life, including a useful ass, but still have my eye on my neighbors ass, then coveting applies. The love God and your neighbor as yourself ordinance comprises all ten commandments. I assume your response refers to this.
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contracycle Inactive Member |
quote: Not necessarily. This dogma is frequently used to justify privbate property, itself extracted by violence. This is a reactionary dictum against the poor, who may seek to reposses those things of which they have been disapropriated by the wealthy.
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PecosGeorge Member (Idle past 6895 days) Posts: 863 From: Texas Joined: |
I gotcha, I think.
Of course, well, if you say it, but you see, uh, well. Thanks, I think. But for really and surely, thank you for your response.
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tsig Member (Idle past 2931 days) Posts: 738 From: USA Joined: |
Not necessarily. This dogma is frequently used to justify privbate property, itself extracted by violence. This is a reactionary dictum against the poor, who may seek to reposses those things of which they have been disapropriated by the wealthy Could you quote the parable that condems private property? Jesus saysyou will always have the poor. If you can't do the bible quote, then you can explain in your own words why property=violence. How can one reposess what they did not have?
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contracycle Inactive Member |
quote: I'm well aware of that. It is frequently cited as justification for grossly disparate levels of wealth, or for the futility of anti-poverty programmes. Like the commandment about the ox, its is a statement of oppression.
quote: Thucydides says, "As piracy indcreased and capital reserves came into being..." The Israelites, like other local peoples, were all about killing their neighbouring tribes, enslaving their women and children, stealing their chattels and slaughtering their males. So, having stolen an ox from the Moabites by violence, they certainly do not want any Moabite slaves coveting that ox. This is religion used to justify theft and disapropriation by force. This message has been edited by contracycle, 10-29-2004 08:13 AM
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tsig Member (Idle past 2931 days) Posts: 738 From: USA Joined: |
Are you referring to The History of the Peloponnesian War? Big book, got a page number?
But this is is a complete right turn off topic, so if you want to start a thread about private property I'm sure you'll get a lot of input.
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Phat Member Posts: 18310 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Here is a Parable that seems rather simple.
NIV writes:
Now if "seed" equals wisdom, what type of wisdom do you think that Jesus wants us to have?
Matt 13:3-9= Then he told them many things in parables, saying: "A farmer went out to sow his seed. As he was scattering the seed, some fell along the path, and the birds came and ate it up. Some fell on rocky places, where it did not have much soil. It sprang up quickly, because the soil was shallow. But when the sun came up, the plants were scorched, and they withered because they had no root. Other seed fell among thorns, which grew up and choked the plants. Still other seed fell on good soil, where it produced a crop-a hundred, sixty or thirty times what was sown. He who has ears, let him hear."
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purpledawn Member (Idle past 3480 days) Posts: 4453 From: Indiana Joined: |
Out of curiosity, why did you stop at verse 9 and equate the seeds with wisdom?
Matthew 13:18 "Listen then to what the parable of the sower means... The seed is equated with the word, just as it is in Mark and Luke. A gentle answer turns away wrath, But a harsh word stirs up anger.
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Phat Member Posts: 18310 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
well, the word is wisdom.
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purpledawn Member (Idle past 3480 days) Posts: 4453 From: Indiana Joined: |
The parable deals with the four types of hearers and their response to the message received.
Seed on Path = When anyone hears the message about the kingdom and does not understand it, the evil one comes and snatches away what was sown in his heart. Seed on Rock = is the man who hears the word and at once receives it with joy. But since he has no root, he lasts only a short time. When trouble or persecution comes because of the word, he quickly falls away. Seed among Thorns = is the man who hears the word, but the worries of this life and the deceitfulness of wealth choke it, making it unfruitful. Seed on Good Soil = is the man who hears the word and understands it. He produces a crop, yielding a hundred, sixty or thirty times what was sown. (Luke) stands for those with a noble and good heart, who hear the word, retain it, and by persevering produce a crop. What is your teaching on wisdom? A gentle answer turns away wrath, But a harsh word stirs up anger.
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Phat Member Posts: 18310 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Hi, purpledawn! First off, thank you for summing up the Biblical teaching that Jesus Himself said. I do not disagree with the Parable at all! See, there are two basic origins of wisdom. Either it comes from God Himself, or our own experience, feelings, thoughts, and logic deduce it. A wise man can still be a scientist who knows and tests natural law.
NIV writes: The beginning? Perhaps the origin of true wisdom. Ps 111:10-112:1= The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom; all who follow his precepts have good understanding. To him belongs eternal praise.NIV writes: Even the O.T. showed a God who never had vengence on anyone who loved Him. In many cases, it was either kill or be killed for Israel. If Israel had "turned the other cheek" they may have made it to Heaven as a people, but they would be gone. A footnote. For whatever reason, God wanted Israel around for times such as these today. God deals with people differently today because of the reality of Grace and of Jesus Christ. The only way that God could have dealt with people without allowing them to be killed would have been to change them. The people who were slaughtered by Israel were reprobate. There was simply no chance of them ever receiving the love of God by loving Israel. Prov 1:7=The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge, but fools despise wisdom and discipline.
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purpledawn Member (Idle past 3480 days) Posts: 4453 From: Indiana Joined: |
That's your teaching on wisdom?
How does the parable fit into that scenerio? A gentle answer turns away wrath, But a harsh word stirs up anger.
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Phat Member Posts: 18310 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Receiving the Word of God is receiving the Spirit of God. Receiving the Word is more than reading a good philosophy...it is allowing Gods Spirit to renew you and allowing you to relate to Him on a personal level as your source of wisdom.
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purpledawn Member (Idle past 3480 days) Posts: 4453 From: Indiana Joined: |
You said you were going to treat this as a Bible Study.
Jesus was very clear how the parable described the different types of hearing. I do not understand how your thoughts on wisdom are associated with the parable. How does the parable help me to visualize your teaching on wisdom? A gentle answer turns away wrath, But a harsh word stirs up anger.
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