The power of prayer: in action

Don't mischaracterize the debate. You responded to the existence of bad things happening with your statements on "challenges." Since everybody knew we were talking about, among other things, tragedies where people die, that must mean you meant that tragic death constituted a "challenge."That, or you were trying to equivocate on what "something bad" means. Either way, you're not responding to the question.This message has been edited by crashfrog, 10-28-2004 05:42 PM

In that same post, Mr. Jack said: Mr Jack asked why God didn't just intervene to spare him from the whole ordeal.Does this better explain my post?

Exactly - we're both biased - naturally. Nothing can be gained in a thread of this nature. I count the positive - you count the negative --> together we make a wonderful pair of chumps going around in a circle. However - I'm not prepared to let the unbeliever say that prayer doesn't make a difference when I know it does. Why? Because I only count prayer as personal proof - so it's rude for someone to simply discount my prayers when I am being terribly reasonable.For example;- I acknowledge prayers are unfalsifiable because God can say "no"..
- I count my prayers as "personal proof" because they can mean nothing to a person who doesn't believe.Therefore - I'm only claiming that I believe my prayers are answered and I can only recommend belief concerning prayer, and admitt that I cannot prove they are answered - I simply believe they are.Nevertheless, post-hoc reasoning and confirmation bias are not sufficient enough to make me not believe - because I've always said that those things are irrelevant - and reasoning becomes irrational when faced with a true situation.For example - confirmation bias will seem pretty darn irrelevant to a guy who has been healed of cancer - and therefore - if YOU had been - let's be honest, you'd have to be mad to not believe.
THAT is why I am irrefutable mike - - HAHAHA - eat that Shraff!

Matthew 7:2
For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.What do I know?

Lol.The bible has some very good lessons on what we should do with our money.

so Sucides go to heaven?Straight yes/no - if the answer is no - well what's the point of lying to the family?

horde it for legal defense when people find out what the priests are upto?

I do not profess to know their life stories, or parental backrounds. I can only speak for myself on that subject.I have the same worries you do. That is why I feel a need to put an end to it.

I do not like most preists, not because they are preists either.
I also do not agree with the Catholic religion. They contributed to keeping me from God many years.

so Suicides go to heaven?

It doesn't affect the reality of God.It affects the validity of Riverrat's statement 'every single prayer I make gets answered.' !It would also make it interesting to see how Riverrat's prayer-belief system is affected if God's answer is 'sorry -can't do'.Or yours, for that matter!

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"In life, you have to face that some days you'll be the pigeon and some days you'll be the statue."

I think you have a lot to learn. Your ignorance will continue to keep you from what is righteous. If life was that easy.
I can give you an example. What is one of the reasons Musslims do not want Christianity in their nations. I'll give you a hint: womens rights. Whats wrong with both?I think most of your answers lie within your own posts. Come back on another day and read them again. Also check out your own links.You want to know what/who God really is?
Look right inside your own heart, I promise you he's there.

Crashfrog,You and I have discussed suffering before.What would you have God do?Would you have him strike people dead on the spot to prevent them from inflicting suffering?Would you have him simply stop people, like a puppeteer, and just nullify free will?Would you miraculously save all the victims and and render people's free will effectively void?Your thoughts?Mods, does this belong in a new topic?

That answer lies within yourself too. Unless you think you are capable of lying to yourself. Hey, your right. Everyone is crazy except you. Same for believer, non-believer. Sorry I will not agree on this. Yes I have no proof.I don't think you can put God in a scientific study like that. Yea, lets study the one who spoke the world into existance with a couple simple tests. Kind of silly.It took me way longer than that, because of my scientific mind, or logical way of thinking. I was you 10 years ago, I would say the same things you do. I Love Bill the Cat pfffft!I just read the bible and studied it, then compared it to real life for many years, until I started to see how life works, then it started to come to me. The nip in the bud was a baptism of the Holy Spirit, followed by a dash of repentance, and wham! a crazy Christian was born again.

I just told you, I can't judge people who commit suicide.I can tell you this, that I feel as though the spirit of suicide visited me once. One day when I let things in life get to me, and I was lying on the bed with my thoughts circling around my head at 100MPH, and the thought popped into my head, I wonder what it would be like to commit suicide, and just end all these thoughts (the wierd thing is, that I really don't have that much wrong in my life to be that screwed up over).
Suddenly a blackness fell over me, and for 2 seconds there wasn't a thought in my head. Something that never happened to me in 38 years.
You can tell by the way I talk I have plenty of thoughts. It was so serene, absolute peace. But then it felt lonely and cold, and it felt as though, thats exactly how would feel forever if I decided to do it.
All this took about 2 secinds, then I thought of my kids and it all went away.One week later, my neighbor, a few doors down, committed suicide.