Atheistic preacher?

Why do I need a message of hope if I happen to find the cure for aging? Um... Strawman Alert!!! This time I'm not even going to tell you why. I and myself have said this many times but it never seem to sink in. Well, we get those kind of people on both sides of the spectrum. Ok, I'm going to go out to get some gasoline and I'm going to lit my dog on fire with it. My friends would disagree with you on that about me. Just how many atheists... logical ones do you think you really know? Strawman!!! Give me one good reason why I shouldn't be annoyed by people that tried to trick me into going to bible camp for the weekend by telling me that it was some kind of international student get together thing and it was free without mentioning that we'd be spending all our time listening to preachers and there was no way to get out of there since transportation was also free? You haven't said anything that have substance to them. All I see are strawman, more strawman, and nothing but strawman.It's like me saying, "all white people believe in pre-marital sex and have no sense of moral when it comes to respecting your elders." Coincidently, that's what my parents believe. Trust me buz, my parents would look down on you just because you are white.This message has been edited by Lam, 10-31-2004 03:14 PM

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He's not dead. He's electroencephalographically challenged.The longest word in the English language is pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis.

I'll leave this to Born but it does seem to me that the topic might be wandering.

How so? I was merely pointing out some obvious flaws in his argument.A: All fish can fly because they have wings.B: Fish don't have wings.Admin: Off topic, the topic isn't about wings but it is about fish's ability to fly.Aren't you being a little too picky?

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He's not dead. He's electroencephalographically challenged.The longest word in the English language is pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis.

I thought Born had asked that others attempt to convince him of something. Buz went off on some sort of tangent that seems to have hijacked the thread.I do find it amazing that after all this time Buz is saying the same things over again but ignoring Born and focussing on them seems unfortunate. Born is, after all, able to actually carry on a conversation.As I said, I'll leave it to Born since it's really his thread.This message has been edited by AdminNosy, 10-31-2004 03:27 PM

Well, ok. I tend to itch to reply for something as illogical and unfounded as Buz's post.It's like me saying "all admins are girls" and you not being able to reply. It itches!

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He's not dead. He's electroencephalographically challenged.The longest word in the English language is pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis.

The other me knows exactly how you feel.However, for the discussions to flow reasonably well we all have to exercise some restraint. I'm getting a bit less impetuous in my posting recently**. I try to let others jump in.However, the issues that have come up between Buz and you could stand a thread of their own I think. They have, like everything else, been discussed before but what the heck; everything has.(** part of that is that I can't get in here about half of the time due to timeouts on the links getting here -- it is good for me)

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remember that basically the entire old testament is a compilation of fictional stories with morals anyway

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That pretty much negates the claims of the NT then.What are you basing your belief in God on within the Christian religion?

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by doing my best to give people hope

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Hope in what?What makes you think people are without hope?

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A gentle answer turns away wrath, But a harsh word stirs up anger.

Before you reply to any more posts, I am not implying anything about atheists. I never said what you say I'm implying. I don't think that either. I'm just saying nature goes by nature. I agree that atheists are typically better with moral reasoning, but you return-fire the hate-preaching enough to be in line with them, it would seem. Charles Knight tagged me for the same thing. I know that you have to keep pacifism(passifism isn't a word) in moderation. I should've been clear on that. Okay. In fact, I actually like the Koran's idea that man and woman are equal, as opposed to the Biblical teaching that women are just servants. I hope I'm not coming off as ignorant, because you certainly seem to be patronizing me like I'm 12 years old and stupid or something. Okay, we'll just ignore that then. Flippin' crying out loud, I DIDNT SAY THAT!!!! Are you trying to irritate me or something? I feel like I'm arguing with Syamsu!People still have savage instincts, I don't claim to be an exception. Unless you are going to say that atheists somehow shed their survival instincts completely, I'd say you guys have them just as much as we theists do. In fact, your arguements against an accusation that I didn't make makes you the guy attacking the straw man. Leave that poor scarecrow alone! Who says preachers don't tell 'em both? You ever noticed how much community service gets done by church groups? That's a bold, generalizing, and ignorant accusation of what I will do as a minister and what other ministers already do. I know LOTS of churches that promote recycling, it's just that we're not preaching sermons about it. Unsupported accusation. Evidence, please. Let's see a concensus saying that the majority of Christians treat the environment poorly. Again, most church groups do lots of recycling and other community service. That's not my job. Leave that to professors. I will definetly preach that science is a good thing and is not some kind of enemy of Christ, but promoting it during sermons would definetly be doing somebody else's job and not mine. A preacher is one who preaches. Now you're clearly patronizing me. I can't help but wonder if you would assume I knew this if I was atheist. You know that I'm not an idiot. Don't talk to me like I'm one. Did you even read my last post? That's what I said I was going to do! When I said I'd get them off your nuts, I meant I'd try and get them to stop giving homosexuals a hard time! It was in the part where I was, as you put, 'ranting on about my unsupported beliefs'. Importance is relative, wouldn't you say? Just because it's not important to you doesn't mean it's not important to others. Yeah, I'll work at getting people to be more tolerant, but there's a message of hope I'm here to preach. You don't like it? Tough shit. God bless ya. I don't support Bush. And that had nothing to do with what you quoted. Good. Then hopefully you understand that I'm taking a lot of flak standing up for your punk ass while some of my superiors-to-be still wish it was legal to burn you guys at the stake.

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God is far more powerful than what most have in mind. Imagine God as best you can. Now zoom out from that picture in your mind and imagine a God above the previous one, even more powerful than the first. Zoom out further and imagine an even greater God. Now do that endlessly. That, my friend, is but a glimmering sliver of God.Xanga 2.0 is Here! (WARNING:EXPLICT LANGUAGE)

Not too much except that the universe was created by an omnipotent, all-knowing, all-loving God. Just that, because a lot of God's other alledged actions in the Bible completely contradict that statement.

If the Bible didn't make sense, I wouldn't go with it. It substantually answers all of life's questions and offers solutions to all of life's problems far more comprehensively than any other book. It also provides dozens of precisely fulfulled prophecies, proven so by recorded history so as for the ones who care to apprise themselves can be sure it is a supernatural revelation from God. There are many false doctrines proclaimed and preached in the world. One must do one's homework objectively and carefull as one would search for valuable treasure if one is to come up with the true ideology. The apostle Paul says, prove all things. That is not to say one can prove everything in the Bible to be true, but it does day there is proof in the Bible that it is from above and important things like that. The apostle Apollos proved to the Jews that Jesus was indeed the prophesied messiah of the OT because he did his homework on the prophecies and produced them. But if you're wrong and there is indeed a supreme being to be accountable to, you're in a heap of trouble in your future. Better be absolutely sure that you're not being deceived yourself. Please don't put words into my post. I didn't say true Christians never commit suicide. I believe far fewer percentage of them do compared to athiests, though I have no stats for this. I implicated that the ones who do these things are hippocritical Christians who comehow rationalize their actions before their maker and judge. If one is to go through life without any significant purpose, why should one spur on. For what? More would likely be more inclined to eat, drink and be as merry as possible in irresponsible sensuous and selfish pleasure than folks having a sense of responsiblilty towards a supreme being. True followers of Jesus don't persecute anyone. Any who do are not following the teaching of Jesus. Rather they become the persecuted, as Christ prophesied they would be. Some do and some others would if they could get by with it. Unlike the American soldiers, athiest Communists who conquered towns were known to do this all too often. Don't forget people like Stalin, Idi Amin, and the like and their people who, when they had the power were ruthless and brutal. Ninety million or so died at the hands of their largely athiestically inclined communist national regimes last century. 1. Both athiests several false religions and non-fundamental Christian factions are also brutal. True followers of the commandments of Jesus and the apostles rarely murder. The rare occasion where one does would be where one is mentally incompetent or in a very sinful state of mind. Anyone who has no regard to accountability to a supreme being would be a more likely candidate for doing such things as going out taking others who one has hatred towards along in a time of rage or despondency than one who believes in being accountable, imo. Please understand, having said that, that most athiests I know would never hurt anyone or think of such a thing. I'm just saying that the deterrant factor of accountability would likely have a factor on certain individuals more inclined to such evil actions. For most, it definitely would. There is, of course, consequence here and now for evil doers. By and large I think most athiests have an inherrant concience from the god whom they deny, which would definitely deter them from harming others. Many have Christian forbears who have instilled Biblial morality into them. In nations where this is not the case, there is less inhibition for them. Haite, the Congo and communist nations would be good examples of this. The largely Christian heritage of the US makes it one of the most tolerant nations to all religions. Fundamentalist Islamic nations are a good example of intolerance to other beliefs. He has a lot of likeminded coombodies on the planet to make my point, for sure, some of whom I've mentioned.

So long as they behave themselves and obey the laws I would tolerate them. Read my post statement carefully. I said, "hate any who would preach......." Jesus taught the true follower of his to love ones enemies and do good to them. I would welcome dialog with them. Muslim doctrine teaches the opposite. The communist regimes of the last century do so also, as did Catholicism during the inquisitions of the dark ages. LOL! The Bolshevik revolutions subsequent communist block proved otherwise. US athiests are different because of the Biblical Christian heritage of our nation and the influence it has had on our culture. A little good ole fashioned fear factors favorably towards civility towards others and society. Your notion that we are anxious to exit this life is silly. You're not responding directly to my post. It is more likely that when one is despondent, sick or otherwise miserable with life one's ideology as to accountability for one's actions would factor in with more athiests taking their own lives than Christians. Again, I have no stats on that. Most Biblical Christians would consider taking one's own life to be murdering one's self.This message has been edited by buzsaw, 10-31-2004 10:43 PM

An asteroid is on a course for Earth. The asteroid weighs 875,000 pounds and is traveling at 28 km a second. How much energy do you need to muster onto the asteroid to stop it?

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He's not dead. He's electroencephalographically challenged.The longest word in the English language is pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis.

Since the grave is the end to them, I don't understand why they spend their relatively few moments of existence trying to convince others that they should join their group. Eternity. Mmmm, better get lots of your essential oils such as borage, flax and fish, take your glucosamine with condroiten for the joints, get your vits and minerals, drink lots of fresh raw vegie and fruit juices and leave off the junk food for such aspirations. Seriously, I wish you well and that you live long, happy and blessed! Go with God for ultimate fulfillment in life, though. Relatively speaking, temporal life is as the apostle James says, like the grass that appears for a little while and withers away. Froggie, me friend, you don't understand Holy Ghost conversion atol! The new birth via receiving the spirit of Christ changes one's being so as to make one want to love God and do good to others. See responses to others in regard to this.

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The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past. buz

Oops, my sincere apologies, B2P. I've been going down the line from top to bottom responding to posts and didn't see this post until now. I shall leave off and let you finish your thread.This message has been edited by buzsaw, 10-31-2004 11:08 PM

But we don't have eternity. We have 120 years, tops. (Unless they solve some tricky biochemical problems.) That's it. That's all we have. Why waste it? Why would I waste all the life I'll ever have? Tried it; wasn't really for me. I'm much happier as an atheist, though. But compared to all the life we'll ever have, our life in this world is all of it. 100%. There's nothing "relatively short" about it. Apparently, you don't understand altruism.