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purpledawn
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Message 11 of 53 (154606)
10-31-2004 1:40 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by Buzsaw
10-31-2004 9:21 AM


Christian Suicide
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Athiests have no message of hope to preach.
The message of "hope" that Christians deliver concerns the afterlife and the person receiving the message has no way to check the veracity of the message.
Atheists don't need to preach hope, but they can provide hope. What they can provide would be done in this world where they are held accountable. People know what they are getting, true or false.
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Some, in their hopelessness end their own lives prematurely when life becomes tough or unpleasant.
A 13yr old boy from a small Christian Church. Family is very devout and involved in the church. Mother is a nurse. His father died after battling cancer for over 5yrs. This young boy now resides in the cemetery next to my house. He took his own life after his father's death, because he wanted to join his father in heaven with Jesus.
A devout Christian woman in her mid 40's, who has two wonderful young boys and husband, prays at the end of each Bible study that she wants to be taken away now to the perfect life with Jesus. Fortunately she hasn't taken her own life yet.
Over 20 yrs ago a Marine Sgt., who is also a devout Christian, kills his wife and children and then kills himself because God told him to.
5yrs ago a 60yr old woman starved herself to death because she had enough of her life in a wheel chair. She didn't want to be a burden on her family and wanted to join Jesus in heaven.
Is this the hope you speak of? We don't need to deal with the difficulties in this world because there is another world where all is perfect? Is it right to give people a hope of something that may or may not exist?
Jesus didn't teach hope in an afterlife as viewed by the Christian Church today.

A gentle answer turns away wrath, But a harsh word stirs up anger.

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purpledawn
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Message 22 of 53 (154635)
10-31-2004 4:48 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by One_Charred_Wing
10-31-2004 2:02 PM


Why Do You Believe There is a God
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remember that basically the entire old testament is a compilation of fictional stories with morals anyway
That pretty much negates the claims of the NT then.
What are you basing your belief in God on within the Christian religion?
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by doing my best to give people hope
Hope in what?
What makes you think people are without hope?

A gentle answer turns away wrath, But a harsh word stirs up anger.

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purpledawn
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From: Indiana
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Message 32 of 53 (154944)
11-01-2004 3:14 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by One_Charred_Wing
10-31-2004 5:36 PM


Re: Why Do You Believe There is a God
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Not too much except that the universe was created by an omnipotent, all-knowing, all-loving God. Just that, because a lot of God's other alledged actions in the Bible completely contradict that statement.
If that is all you can come up with as an answer to "What do you base your belief in God on?" then I suggest you pick another profession.
As a preacher, people will look to you for answers and take your word as truth. A careless answer can send someone into a spiritual crisis.
So I'm going to ask this again.
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remember that basically the entire old testament is a compilation of fictional stories with morals anyway
Since you have thrown out the OT (which is the source that says God exists) and negated the NT by doing so, on what do you base your belief in God?
Unless you are a Christian by tradition, you should have something that led you to believe that God exists, since it apparently wasn't the Bible.

A gentle answer turns away wrath, But a harsh word stirs up anger.

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purpledawn
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From: Indiana
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Message 38 of 53 (155073)
11-01-2004 8:39 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by One_Charred_Wing
11-01-2004 7:02 PM


Re: Why Do You Believe There is a God
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But you guys aren't looking to me for spiritual guidance, unless there's something you guys are holding back from me. When that time comes, I'll spring into action. Trust me.
That's providing you know when the time comes. You have openly put yourself out there as a preacher-to-be. People looking for spiritual guidance don't always schedule a meeting.
You've got a harsh web site that represents you and you have no idea who you are affecting. Do you care?
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I'll look forward to seeing why you knuckleheads think I should be doing something else with my life
If you don't hold to the tenets of Christianity, what do you plan to preach or teach people?

A gentle answer turns away wrath, But a harsh word stirs up anger.

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purpledawn
Member (Idle past 3478 days)
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From: Indiana
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Message 49 of 53 (155225)
11-02-2004 1:05 PM
Reply to: Message 39 by One_Charred_Wing
11-01-2004 8:53 PM


Re: Why Do You Believe There is a God
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However, the name 'Bad Preacher' does not imply a good example. I did that on purpose. I even state in one post that my complaints are exxagerated way beyond proportion,and that I don't really wish that any harm comes to anything that I insult on my site.
Why would you want to set anything but a good example?
This post is not on the first page of your site or the next. A little buried. Unless I missed one.
I realize I made fun of some people who were thankful and then complain. I need to elaborate on why I'm okay to do so: 99% of my whining on this is blown WAY out of proportion; I don't believe Evanescence is a reason to doubt your thankfullness to God even if they suck. Just thought I'd get that out of the way.
It isn't really clear about your intentions. I really don't feel the "love."
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Also, if people are taking to heart what some stupid kid writes on his web page (I have my birthdate on it, so one could do the math and tell I'm 17, as if my stupid complaints wouldn't reveal it anyway), then you have to wonder how long this person would've been 'uncorrupted', if you will, anyway.
You don't think teenagers are going to find your site? They don't care how poorly it is written. They just like the "bad" language. Just the kind of preacher kids want. One who can use foul language with the best of them.
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But laughter is also a wonderful medicine, and as far as that goes my site's mission is to provide a wonderful medication.
I'm sure your friends do find you funny, unfortunately your humor doesn't translate well into writing. Like I said, it comes across negative and harsh.
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Just because I don't believe OT events happened doesn't mean the stories don't have wonderful teachings. I can still teach the messages even if I don't believe the events happen, you know. After all, Jesus liked teaching in parables.
I understand that you can still teach morals, but I still don't understand why you want to take on preaching when you don't believe in the tenets of the religion.
When a church hires you to be their preacher, you work for them. They hire you to preach and teach them and their children the tenets of their religion, and to counsel them concerning life and death in accordance with those tenets. They don't hire you to do your own thing.
The only reason I point all this out is that I have seen "Bad Preachers" cause more harm than good.

A gentle answer turns away wrath, But a harsh word stirs up anger.

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purpledawn
Member (Idle past 3478 days)
Posts: 4453
From: Indiana
Joined: 04-25-2004


Message 53 of 53 (155301)
11-02-2004 8:32 PM
Reply to: Message 52 by One_Charred_Wing
11-02-2004 8:27 PM


Re: Why Do You Believe There is a God
quote:
I'm not really a bad preacher. That site is there to be funny. If it matters that much, I'll post a reminder that I'm joking every now and then.
That would be wise.

A gentle answer turns away wrath, But a harsh word stirs up anger.

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