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Author Topic:   Supernatural vs. Scientifically Unproven
allen
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Message 16 of 27 (15524)
08-16-2002 10:39 AM
Reply to: Message 15 by John
08-16-2002 8:37 AM


first i am not a christian..second,i have no religion,,third..i have faith
in a god who took my place on the cross and paid for my sins so i do not
have to go to hell when i die..fourth, to receive salvation, one must have
faith that the size of a mustard seed.. a small seed..dont take much faith
to believe in what jesus did for me... as for your link.. why christains
convert to islam.. should read: why fools choose a false god over Jesus..
because the twisted words you line up to reflect a general rule as to why
christains convert to islam.. islam is a religion..a man made way of adding
pieces of scripture that make him feel things happened in his own picking
the truth he believes is the way he should or wants to worship a god that
is false...or is placed above the true only living god. So i do not choose
mans religion. i choose to believe in a single god who created all things,
and offers a bridge back to himself by the simple act of taking my place on
the cross...and paying for the sin of man in order that we may once again
walk with him in everlasting glory. I do not spend my time and effort trying
to puzzel toghether other things i do not believe to prove that man is
right.. i believe what god has done is right..remember.. Jesus is
alive..death could not hold him.. he went into the depths of hell to take
the keys of hell and overcome death itself. did your god do this in islam
religion..because death is the result of sin..and untill man comes to the
forgiving power of jesus, he will end up in hell for eternity because of
sin.. adam and eve brought sin into the world by choice..simply by
disobeying the command of God himself not to eat of the fruit of the tree of
the knowledge of good and evil..but they did, i personally do not believe
this was an actual fruit, i believe it was saying that they should not take
into their mind or lives the act to know about good and evil ways...remember
there was no sin before this act. But once they chose to break the command
not to take of the knowledge of good and evil, then sin was born in man..and
the wages of sin is death of the flesh, and death of the spirit..bound for
hell...hell being the eternal punishment to the spirit.
That is wha t i believe . Nothing any man will ever convert me to islam or
any religion that has a name...i do not claim religion.. i claim faith in a
living god....i dont recall any name in the bible that says if you have
faith in Jesus you are a particular religion now.. remember man did
that..ie.. christian/catholic/islam/jewish/buddist/

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Rationalist
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Message 17 of 27 (15535)
08-16-2002 1:26 PM


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John
Inactive Member


Message 18 of 27 (15551)
08-16-2002 7:21 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by allen
08-16-2002 10:39 AM


quote:
Originally posted by allen:
first i am not a christian..second,i have no religion,,third..i have faith
in a god who took my place on the cross and paid for my sins so i do not
have to go to hell when i die..fourth, to receive salvation, one must have
faith that the size of a mustard seed.. a small seed..dont take much faith
to believe in what jesus did for me... as for your link.. why christains
convert to islam.. should read: why fools choose a false god over Jesus..
because the twisted words you line up to reflect a general rule as to why
christains convert to islam.. islam is a religion..a man made way of adding
pieces of scripture that make him feel things happened in his own picking
the truth he believes is the way he should or wants to worship a god that
is false...or is placed above the true only living god. So i do not choose
mans religion. i choose to believe in a single god who created all things,
and offers a bridge back to himself by the simple act of taking my place on
the cross...and paying for the sin of man in order that we may once again
walk with him in everlasting glory. I do not spend my time and effort trying
to puzzel toghether other things i do not believe to prove that man is
right.. i believe what god has done is right..remember.. Jesus is
alive..death could not hold him.. he went into the depths of hell to take
the keys of hell and overcome death itself. did your god do this in islam
religion..because death is the result of sin..and untill man comes to the
forgiving power of jesus, he will end up in hell for eternity because of
sin.. adam and eve brought sin into the world by choice..simply by
disobeying the command of God himself not to eat of the fruit of the tree of
the knowledge of good and evil..but they did, i personally do not believe
this was an actual fruit, i believe it was saying that they should not take
into their mind or lives the act to know about good and evil ways...remember
there was no sin before this act. But once they chose to break the command
not to take of the knowledge of good and evil, then sin was born in man..and
the wages of sin is death of the flesh, and death of the spirit..bound for
hell...hell being the eternal punishment to the spirit.
That is wha t i believe . Nothing any man will ever convert me to islam or
any religion that has a name...i do not claim religion.. i claim faith in a
living god....i dont recall any name in the bible that says if you have
faith in Jesus you are a particular religion now.. remember man did
that..ie.. christian/catholic/islam/jewish/buddist/

So are you going to actually reply to anything I've said, or just repeat yourself ad infinitum?

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allen
Unregistered


Message 19 of 27 (15556)
08-16-2002 10:40 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by John
08-16-2002 7:21 PM


So are you going to actually reply to anything I've said, or just repeat yourself ad infinitum?.......hey i cut n pasted that...lol
hi john..
first i have to find out what infinitum means, and then try to remember what it is that you wrote, and maybe i may not answer it because i was trying to get y ou to email me and get off this silly forum so we can communicate in a more rashinal way...but you wont, so untill you email me... i refuse to answer you any more... you have my email.. as someone else has emailed me and is helping me out on this eternal delema...a truely kind person they are..they are takeing the time to explain to me what i cannot find as truth, and you are just using this forum to show your cool way of yappen.. so please email me.. because i will no longer ingadge in this forum, as i am now deleting the URL to this site, and in childish words saying:
BYE BYE JOHNIE...... IM DONE IN HERE.. GOOD DAY ..HAVE A GOOD LIFE.. AND KEEP THE FAITH BRO
allen bye !
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John
Inactive Member


Message 20 of 27 (15557)
08-17-2002 12:24 AM
Reply to: Message 19 by allen
08-16-2002 10:40 PM


quote:
Originally posted by allen:
...hey i cut n pasted that...lol

wow.

[quote]first i have to find out what infinitum means[quote]
Its Latin.

quote:
and then try to remember what it is that you wrote

I can remind you.

quote:
and maybe i may not answer it because i was trying to get y ou to email me and get off this silly forum so we can communicate in a more rashinal way...

I like this forum. There are many bright people here who will not let me get away with poor reasoning or premises.

What is preventing a rational discussion? Let's see.... how 'bout your refusal to engage in such a discussion?

quote:
but you wont, so untill you email me...

Oh damn!!!! I defy you will. What am I thinking?

quote:
i refuse to answer you any more...

That's adult.

quote:
you have my email..

Funny thing is, you have mine as well.

quote:
as someone else has emailed me and is helping me out on this eternal delema...a truely kind person they are...

Happy to hear it.

quote:
they are takeing the time to explain to me what i cannot find as truth

As I would be happy to do, but it is difficult to discuss things when one gets pages of ridicule instead of honest responses.

quote:
and you are just using this forum to show your cool way of yappen...

Wrong again. I have told you why I like this forum.

quote:
so please email me..

Why? Are you somehow more mature when composing email?

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Peter
Member (Idle past 2032 days)
Posts: 2160
From: Cambridgeshire, UK.
Joined: 02-05-2002


Message 21 of 27 (15759)
08-20-2002 4:12 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Big B
07-31-2002 9:54 PM


I think 'supernatural' is used explicitly to refer to things
which defy natural explanation ... but it is almost
impossible to differentiate between 'super' and 'praeter'
natural (the latter meaning not yet understood, while the
former means without natural explanation).

Many supposed super-natural phenomena, if accounts are taken
at face value, are most likely explainable with sufficient
study.

In the context of this forum, I beleive supernatural tends to
be used to refer to the workings of an intelligent, omnipotent
agency who is not confined by the natural 'laws' that govern
the rest of us.


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nator
Member (Idle past 278 days)
Posts: 12961
From: Ann Arbor
Joined: 12-09-2001


Message 22 of 27 (16238)
08-29-2002 10:47 AM
Reply to: Message 14 by allen
08-15-2002 8:15 PM


[QUOTE]Originally posted by allen:
[B]Brad.
That was beautiful..and a little humerous to read..but in all a round
about way..you are very right in your post..not only are the old things regenerated as the new..i admitt old cellular is the means of the new groups who do come around with the dialer effect not withstanding the manual typing at hand..tho i do agree with you fully,
finally an adult answer.[/QUOTE]

ROTFLMAO!!!

Not that Brad is not "adult" in his replies, but...LOL!

[QUOTE]Quit right in that lost are the things of old covered by the new that compute the young of today generally a diagnosis of : what me worry sapping of the minds is melay to an extinguishing effect!.. lol.

quote:

What kind of stream of consciousness beat poetry is this supposed to be?

[QUOTE]please dont get me wrong...but supernatural is just something we cannot in effect interact with..but yes supernatural is as it will be,but not as it would be in the minds of professors and graduates that hone the capture of the supernatural at the aspect of losing ones mental being notwithstanding a long saturday night at the bar..pink elephants as i suppose is the outcome of possible reflections of your own experiances as if on an angry ocean tossing to and fro...lol please dont get me wrong..but the supernatural does line in the cognitive. um er eh...oh yes..ahhhhh
ahummmmmm ....pardon me i have gas...as your post so generates its flux flo . get real..a supernatural effect is not the same as a supernatural quantum effect graduated by the humerousness that you expell flagulantly. good day.[/B]


nutter.


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Mammuthus
Member (Idle past 4584 days)
Posts: 3085
From: Munich, Germany
Joined: 08-09-2002


Message 23 of 27 (16296)
08-30-2002 6:23 AM
Reply to: Message 20 by John
08-17-2002 12:24 AM


Hi John,

Well, reading that exchange with Allen provided me with further support that I will always be an athiest.

I think Allen was very surprised that you did not want to join his church.....I thought the argument that not learning anything and just believing was particularly compelling...I mean duh..it would be so much easier than thinking

But kudos to Allen...he seemed to somehow understand Brad McFall's post

Cheers,
Very entertained Mammuthus


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John
Inactive Member


Message 24 of 27 (16299)
08-30-2002 10:32 AM
Reply to: Message 23 by Mammuthus
08-30-2002 6:23 AM


quote:
Originally posted by Mammuthus:
Very entertained Mammuthus

Yes, I live to entertain

I think my favorite line was "First, I have to find out what ad infinitum means" How hard is it to find a dictionary? Ought to be able to guess that one anyway.

Or maybe, "I'm just sharing.... geez!!!"

I also found it quite amusing that Allen kept waiting for an 'adult' response.

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Mammuthus
Member (Idle past 4584 days)
Posts: 3085
From: Munich, Germany
Joined: 08-09-2002


Message 25 of 27 (16305)
08-30-2002 11:17 AM
Reply to: Message 24 by John
08-30-2002 10:32 AM


Hi John
Except at the end where he strangely kept trying to get you to engage him off the forum through email (are his arguments somehow compelling in private?) I got the impression he could have had the same conversation without anybody present

For a reference see the movie In Laws with Allan Arkin and Peter Falk where they meet a strange dictator that has a face painted on one of his hands that acts as his advisor and friend

You have a lot more patience than I would have had considering he kept claiming you and anyone that does not agree with him are stupid...that got very old...but the requests for "adult" conversation was endlessly charming

Cheers,
Mammuthus

quote:
Originally posted by John:
quote:
Originally posted by Mammuthus:
Very entertained Mammuthus

Yes, I live to entertain

I think my favorite line was "First, I have to find out what ad infinitum means" How hard is it to find a dictionary? Ought to be able to guess that one anyway.

Or maybe, "I'm just sharing.... geez!!!"

I also found it quite amusing that Allen kept waiting for an 'adult' response.



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John
Inactive Member


Message 26 of 27 (16307)
08-30-2002 12:06 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by Mammuthus
08-30-2002 11:17 AM


quote:
Originally posted by Mammuthus:
Hi John
Except at the end where he strangely kept trying to get you to engage him off the forum through email (are his arguments somehow compelling in private?)

Good question. I kinda felt like getting me off-forum was the whole point-- like I was being set up for a spam attack or something. Of course, he browsed my web-site but missed the direct link to my email. Not very observant that boy.

quote:
For a reference see the movie In Laws with Allan Arkin and Peter Falk where they meet a strange dictator that has a face painted on one of his hands that acts as his advisor and friend

I was thinking Megadeth--- "Hello, me... it's nice talking to myself, a credit to dementia..."

quote:
You have a lot more patience than I would have had

I was bored. With TB not arguing as vehemently as he once did, and with TC mostly gone, and wmscott, and our arch rival Conspirator (of course) there just hasn't been much to bite into lately.

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Quetzal
Member (Idle past 3980 days)
Posts: 3228
Joined: 01-09-2002


Message 27 of 27 (16341)
08-31-2002 4:51 AM
Reply to: Message 26 by John
08-30-2002 12:06 PM


quote:
I was bored. With TB not arguing as vehemently as he once did, and with TC mostly gone, and wmscott, and our arch rival Conspirator (of course) there just hasn't been much to bite into lately.

You want I should invent a sock puppet you can tear in to? Just for entertainment and practice?


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