Is Religion Completely At War With Science, Or Are They Complementing Each Other?

So far I have not found any such contradictions. That does not mean they might not happen in the future, only that it has not happened so far. I am a Christian as a matter of belief. It is not something subject to scientific tests, or to independant verification. It is something I've covered in some depth in posts here at EvC and as you browse more and wander through threads I'm sure you'll find many such examples.My basic reason though is that I find the teachings of Jesus to be a useful and valid moral base for my life. Well, I certainly think so. But I also find great value in Islam, Buddhism, Confucius, Mencius and other philolsophic and religious systems.I do not find much value in Fundamentalism regardless of what religion it is attached to. I find Fundamentalism to be shallow, weak, limited, irrational, self-destructive, bigoted and exclusionary, which I see as exactly the opposite of the teachings of Christianity or any other religion. I agree. But I also believe that ignoring the results of science is both bad science and even worse theology.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Not at all. There are very few things in developing science that are not disputed. Generally though, as more and more evidence is gathered a consensus is built where we can agree on the HOW.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

I would consider all of those as HOWs. This will likely be seen by you as quibbling, and if so, okay.

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Duplicate post, dread 500 Server error.This message has been edited by jar, 11-04-2004 11:12 AM

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Quote from Buzsaw: "By the same token, if there is a conflict, it is the result of some scientests[sic] placing their views ahead of the logic and common sense of creationism, in that there's too much complexity for what is observed not to have had an intelligent designer creator to effect it all, a creator who is capabable of effecting the existence of things observed, showing appearance of age, being created suddenly"Probably a little off topic...
I'm sorry Mr Buzsaw, but I cannot subscribe to your view that creationism involves well-thought-out logic or common sense. From my looks at the AIG website and Dr. (cough-cough) Hovind's videos/website/ravings-in-white-papers, it seems to be little more than pecking at minor controversies in evolution, glossing over glaring errors in creationist theories/timelines/evidence, and demonizing everyone who is not a Fundamentalist Christian of their ilk.It would seem that they should advance their own theory and find positive evidence to support it.I will keep reading here to see if you or other creationists provide a more coherent explanation of these theories.This message has been edited by LinearAq, 11-04-2004 11:20 AM

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Gravity, not just a good idea...It's the Law!!

What why questions, then, do you see Religion as answering?

There's a saying that says: 'The end is near when science and the devil go walking hand in hand.' I do not think that science and religion are at war, nor are they complementing each other. Personally, I can find a way to create some kind of link between the two, but it eventually boils down to this: do you belive in science or religion? Science tries to disprove God, and of late, the religious try to be ignorant of science. It's really ignorance on both parts, but understandable ignorance.

I've never seen any hint of science (in general) having anything at all to say about God.Individual scientists may decide to say somethings against God. That is their personal view. I think that by defintion, science can say nothing about God one way or the other.However, there are a number of religious folks who try to use science in a way that disproves God. The literalists seem to say if the earth is old, the flood didn't happen etc, etc, then God is gone. A very odd thing for them to do. Science doesn't say that. The fundamentalist Christians do.Then when science shows that they are wrong in their interpretation of the Bible they claim that science is "disproving God". It did nothting of the sort. It just disproved their stupid ideas about the natural world. They are the theological inept who set their beliefs up for a knock down.

I meant that science disproves God with dating and genes and whatnot, things that most Christians try not to think about, and see as a hostility against them. I don't see it that way, I'm just saying what I see.

Then we agree. It is up to the Christians to not over step their bounds and try to talk about the natural world.However, it is not "most Christians" in any case. It is a relative minority of all Christians. Something like 25 to 35 % of Americans (assuming all are Christian) and a much smaller percentage of Christians world wide (let me guess at perhaps 10 %).It can't be helped if they see it as a hostility. Science, as I said, has nothing to say about God one way or the other. It does have a lot to say about the natural world. If the literalists would avoid making dumb, easily disprovable statments about the natural world there would be no problem. The earth is simply not a few thousand years old. Most Christians know that.This message has been edited by NosyNed, 11-24-2004 11:39 PM

Well, let's take a look at that statement.If GOD exists do you agree that GOD exists regardless of what anyone believes?

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Religion is a doctrine and dogma that exists for the purpose of controlling populations and the extraction of wealth.Science is a method for deriving reliable and reproducble information about the world we inhabit.Science has thus inevitably contradicted the necesserry lies peddled by religion and its perpetrators. Science and religion are indeed at war.This message has been edited by contracycle, 11-25-2004 04:11 AM

Yes, I do. I find that I can give a religious explaination to most science things.This message has been edited by TheClashFan, 11-27-2004 04:43 PM

Okay, but you said: What is it about dating and genes and whatnot that you think disproves GOD?

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Yes, I agree that the world is older than a few thousand years. I belive that God's six days may have been thousands or millions of earth years, since God is..well, God.