Bush is back!

why abortion should be illigal (not trying to get off-topic, Lam asked!)

Under the premise of "people are going to do it anyway", why not legalize prostitution in the United States, give these women (or men) STD examinations, make it into a corporate institution, and tax the hell out of it? Most reading this must be thinking, "Why not?", but a consequence of this legalization would be an upset majority of Americans. The core of the nation still hold sacred values that a democratic republic are thereby forced to respect.Most people in the nation must feel that the moral fiber of their country is being compromised when the government sanctions controversial acts that have traditionally been deemed "immoral". That is why it generates much hostility among the conservative base of this nation.

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Even if you don't agree with abortion, it will happen anyway. So why are people trying to remove it from the safety of an institution where the would-be mother can at least be protected?

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The answer is simple. Values played the most important role in our recent election and will continue to play that role for at least the next four years. As difficult as it may be to understand for some, the safety of a potential mother is secondary to the values that the nation reflects as a whole by condoning the (from the point of view of anti-abortionists) mass murder of unborn children. To pro-life individuals, it is a civil rights issue pertaining to the rights of the unborn child.

Shadow, Not that I disagree with your position on this, but isn't that a little like saying there's no point in outlawing murder because it will happen anyway?Mark

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Ironically, the same red states also were some of the strongest supporters of or influenced by Bush's so called "war on terror" the need for the rights eroding Patriot Act I and II (ironically because people love freedom??? ). Now where did the planes hit? A blue state and more than that, New York City one of the most ethnically mixed cities with a huge number of foreigners (including muslims) , a lot of hated "liberals", and a very large homosexual population. Nothing like it exists in any of the red states and would not be tolerated in any case. Most people in the red states would love to see New York City go down in flames. Yet 911 was a huge influence in this election on people who did not come from New York whereas New York voted Kerry...go figure.

While I agree with you that this is what is happening in a political sense, that does not make it correct from a legal or "American Tradition" sense.The idea of using laws to replace social sanctions, and the idea that the governing majority has a right not to be offended by the practices of others is not for the best.I realize that Xians cannot fathom a time when they will not be a majority, or fear it so greatly they thinking passing laws against alternative behavior will protect them. Unfortunately what it does is show the very legal intolerance that minorities are supposed to be protected from. And without this, when Xians are no longer the majority, which will more than likely one day happen, they will not only face people doing what they don't want, but the possibility of having their own actions curbed.If a holier than thou religion (perhaps a sect of Xianity) swept the nation, they could start demanding everyone wear hats, and not to masturbate, and no dancing, no alcohol, no swearing. Before anyone thinks this is ludicruous some of these actually exist in small communities. Indeed alcohol was prohibited under a morals law that thankfully we took back from the religious right.They are just examples of enforcing the "morality" of the majority over the rest. Prostitution and abortion are the same, though I understand the greater weight of abortion to the minds of those so inclined.It is time that the US started standing up against the trend of using laws as mere social sanctions and believing the "moral fiber" must be set by laws. You can read a bit of our founding fathers noting how irrelevant such actions are during their travels through other nations and observing the differences of moral laws with no real world effect.Ironically one can also point to highly moral people defending the rights of people to do things that are immoral, since without that outlet they will become even more immoral. St Augustine (I think it was him) said outlawing prostitution would lead to a rise in homosexuality and worse. Hmmmmmmm.

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"...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)

I checked the transcript this site makes a pretty strong case:
http://fairshot.typepad.com/.../2004/10/dred_scott_roe_.html This is the administration of doublespeak.

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What are we to do about this intolerable situation?

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Other than contact our Senators and praying: nothing. Regardless both don't work.

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Bullshit!We can organize sit ins, protests in DC, pro-choice rallies all across the country, marches, we can give money to Feminist and pro choice organizations, we can volunteer for those organizations and lawmakers who are also pro-choice.

Here is a history lesson for you, DS.Which president founded OSHA and the EPA?

We're getting up near the witching number so everybody get in your last comments.

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How pierceful grows the hazy yon! How myrtle petaled thou! For spring hath sprung the cyclotron How high browse thou, brown cow? -- Churchy LaFemme, 1950

ya right, and so voting for Kerry would be following Christ? We would be voting for the murder of inocent babies and for him to go against GOD's word that one man shold not lay with another. Bush ain't perfect, but he is sure a whole lot better than kerry of (heaven forbid) nader.

yeah, starting a war for false reasons and murdering 100,000 Iraqi civilians is more moral than stating that you personally are against abortion but also are against forcing the lack of choice onto other citizens who may be for abortion.riiiiiiiiight.

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isn't abortion already a topic elsewhere? like {Points on abortion and the crutch of supporters}?see http://EvC Forum: Points on abortion and the crutch of supportersfor starters ...

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Continuation is at Bush Is Back (part 2)!.Closing time for part 1.Adminnemooseus