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Message 16 of 94 (157672)
11-09-2004 2:36 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by Davidjay
11-09-2004 1:21 PM


Re: Enoch designed the Pyramid
The idea that Isaiah 19:20 refers to the Great Pyramid also has severe problems. Isaiah 19 refers to future events and the Great Pyramid does not follow the rules for building an altar to the Lord nor is it on the border of Egypt so it can't be the pillar either.
As for the "circular circumference" of the antechamber, why would a circle based on the longest measurement of the antechamber be important ? It's awfully arbitrary to suggest that that particular measurement of that chamber is important - especially when it is so roughly worked that the precision of measurement you claim is simply not reliable.

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Message 20 of 94 (157702)
11-09-2004 3:47 PM
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11-09-2004 3:11 PM


Re: Enoch designed the Pyramid
Nonsense. If you wish to bring up these measurements as evidence then we certainly must question them.
The relationship of Phi to the body has come up vefore. There is no close relationship = just a very approximate one..
Your "explanation" of Isaiah doesn't make sense. Taken at face value Isaiah says that an altar WILL be built in the "midst" of Egypt and a pillar WILL be built at the border. There is nothing to link either to any building which existed in Isaiah's time.
Now if *I* wanted to encode a precies measurement in a chamber I would not arbitrarily choose a small one. I would certainly not choose one so roughly worked tat it could not be measured to the necessary precision and if I wanted a cirular measurement to be used I would at least lay the room out so that the circle fitted within it. AND I would leave some sort of indication that that measurement was intended to be significant.
As for this claim:
quote:
The Lord's lengths are amazingly reliable and accurate and usually rounded off and exact whole numbers so us not so brights can figure 'em out and give HIM credit, I reckon.
Well if God measured the antechamber for you as you say, then where can I see HIS measurements ? Necause if you are just relying on human measurements like the ones I have seen, I am not about to accept that you have measurements accurate to the 100th of an inch that you need.

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Message 29 of 94 (157979)
11-10-2004 11:47 AM
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11-10-2004 11:36 AM


Re: Enoch designed the Pyramid
As a "math type" I can assure you that a rectangle cannot contain a circle with a diameter equal to the longest axis. If you think otherwise then you had better explain yourself.
Now how are you going to show that you have the correct measuement of the antechamber to the nearest hundredth of an inch ? Please explain how to deal with the variations caused by the rough finish to show that the measurement you use is THE correct one.

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Message 33 of 94 (157994)
11-10-2004 12:11 PM
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11-10-2004 12:01 PM


Re: Paul please reread
So basically you want to forget all about your claims about the antechamber, because they are indefensible.
If it was important enough for you to bring up then it is important enough to show that it is no more than playing games with numbers - when the correct numbers are not even known to the precision required to honestly make the claim.

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Message 37 of 94 (158008)
11-10-2004 12:47 PM
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11-10-2004 12:27 PM


Re: Paul please reread
I see - so critically examining your claims is being "agressive" and displaying a "closed mind". In fact your out--of-hand dismissal of arguments rebutting your claim shows a truly closed mind.
As for your claim having little to do with the antechamber here it is again (from Message 12) :
quote:
And what is the dimension of this room before you enter into the King’s Chamber. It’s circular circumference touching each side and floor is 365.24 inches. And when you change this revolution in inches into time, you get 365 years which is the exact length of Enoch’s life while here on Earth. (SEE Genesis 5: 23) And when you convert every inch into a day, you get 365.24 days which is the exact number of days it takes the Earth to travel around the SUN (SEE Tabernacle of the SUN) And so with these measurements you have the confirmation from the Lord that Enoch was the man He sent to design His temple and Boundary, and WITNESS, and they have called this circumference, ‘ENOCH’S CIRCLE’ (SEE website )
So you were sure enough about it to call it "confirmation" that Enoch built the Pyramid (which of course it would not be even if it were entirely true). Yet you have not justified the choice of the "circular circumference", the use of inches, the choice of the antechamber nor shown that measurements to the necessary accuracy exist. Indeed you have not even shown any definite connection to Enoch. Even if we assume that there is an encoded number and everything else you have yet to justify, the connection to the length of the solar year would be adequate in itself to explain the number.

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Message 49 of 94 (158144)
11-10-2004 5:42 PM
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11-10-2004 1:01 PM


Re: 1000 Year Divisions of time
Well it's interesting that you want to forget all about your "confirmation" that Enoch designed the Pyramid rather than discussing it.
But if you want to start with basic issues before we try anything else you need to:
Confirm that Enoch claimed that there would be "7,000 years of world history before New Heaven and New Earth." To the best of my knowledge there is no reliable basis for claiming that Enoch even existed.
Confirm that Enoch built the Great Pyramid.
And if you are going to rely on using inches, confirm that inches were actually used at the time of building.

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Message 50 of 94 (158150)
11-10-2004 6:03 PM
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11-10-2004 2:30 PM


Re: Enoch designed the Pyramid
The measurements I saw varied according to the distance along the wall and the height. There's no way I can see to establish the "correct" measurement to 1/100 inch which is the minimum accuracy needed for the claim of 365.24 inches.

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Message 59 of 94 (158779)
11-12-2004 2:02 PM
Reply to: Message 53 by Davidjay
11-12-2004 1:16 PM


Re: Enoch designed the Pyramid
Let us be absolutely clear *I* am not demanding 100th inch accuracy. YOU ARE CLAIMING IT!
And you have repeated that claim today.
Are you prepared to support that claim, as the rules of the forum require ? Or are you going to go on evading the issue ?

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Message 62 of 94 (158787)
11-12-2004 2:21 PM
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11-12-2004 2:11 PM


Re: Entrance to the Pit of Descent
In fact it's still pretty bad - he needs accuracy of 1/3 of an inch even to get the 365 figure (rather than 364 or 366). And we don't even have that. Then he needs to justify choosing that particular measurement, and say why it should be interpreted as the age of Enoch.

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Message 65 of 94 (158804)
11-12-2004 2:59 PM
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11-12-2004 2:26 PM


Re: Enoch designed the Pyramid
For the "Enoch Circle" you haven't even got an accuracy of one year.
Look if you want to admit that you can't defend the claim then go ahead and we can drop the matter. But if you do that then don't go repeating it until you CAN defend it.
As for your Daniel timeline so far as I can see it doesn't seem to have even started yet. Which is a bit of a problem since Daniel was writing about events more than 2000 years ago. So why not stick with things we can evaluate, before speculating on future events.

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Message 72 of 94 (159059)
11-13-2004 12:53 PM
Reply to: Message 70 by Davidjay
11-13-2004 12:39 PM


Re: Enoch designed the Great Pyramid
The development of Egyptian pyramid-building starting with the Step Pyramid and on through later experiments like the "Bent Pyramid" is well known. In contrast your claims that Enoch had anything to do with the Great Pyramid are devoid of evidence.
Likewise your idea that measuring your body can somehow prove that the Pyramid builders used the inch.
What it comes down to is this. Your entire thesis is built on arbitary assumptions. Which makes it nothing more than an exercise in your own imagination - lacking any real significance at all.

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