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Peter
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Message 12 of 19 (15756)
08-20-2002 3:32 AM


What makes you think that animals other than humans don't
have a capacity for language just because they can't use
human languages ?

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Peter
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Message 16 of 19 (15829)
08-21-2002 9:41 AM
Reply to: Message 15 by John Paul
08-21-2002 8:53 AM


The assumption appears to be that without the ability to
form 'human' words there is no language.
That's all I was calling into question. The emergence of
a gene that enabled human speech is not necessarily the origin
point for language.
Mere cats uses different noises to shout 'Snake!' and 'Bird of Prey!'
which indicates a verbal 'language' ... not necessarily a sophisticated one, but then we just might not understand the
full syntax etc.
The origins of communication strategies can be encompassed fairly
easily within a natural selection framework, where co-operation
enhances the chance of survival. Human speech is just one, and
is not really unique.

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Peter
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Message 18 of 19 (15837)
08-21-2002 11:21 AM
Reply to: Message 17 by John Paul
08-21-2002 9:51 AM


quote:
Originally posted by John Paul:
Like I said you have to take things in context. The context here is human language.
Speech & language are not the same.
And yes I am sure that communcation strategies can be explained within the natural selection framework. You just can't provide any substantiating evidence for that premise.

Likewise design, n'est pas?
[Added by edit]
Speech and language not being the same is the point I was making.
Does human language require speech? I think not. Language is
the issue, and that is a communication strategy, and communication,
like pretty much any social behaviour, can impact survival
chances.
I don't see why it presents a problem in evolutionary terms ...
but I agree there is no proof ... equally one cannot proove
design.
[This message has been edited by Peter, 08-21-2002]

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