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mike the wiz
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Message 1 of 46 (157031)
11-07-2004 6:39 PM


mike has done the unthinkable and has been refuting the bible(in parts) at christian forums. . I am not happy about this but I thought you might want to look at some explanations given. SO far - I've only seen mental gymnastics, and logic IMHO, has been ignored. HELP!
HERE I argue against the bible's apparent justification of atrocities, and my name is "ziw et ekima". Do not be confused by people calling me "mike".
Edit; Fixed typo.
Science and logic have got the better of me. I believe there is nothing stopping evolution, therefore - though I am creationist - I am "for" evolution, you could even call me an evolutionist I suppose.
I still have my faith intact - this is the strange thing - nothing effects my belief in Christ. I believe Truthlover or Jar are similar chaps in this regard. You can see in the link that I still believe in most of the bible. And Jar has convinced me that there are different canons anyway - so why pretend it is a perfect book - with one author - when the books are seperated by centuries?
Edited by AdminJar to fix link: ain't power great?
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mike the wiz
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Message 5 of 46 (157057)
11-07-2004 7:43 PM


Yep - it's true, the lunatic in the mask knows me better than I know myself.
Thanks Ned and Jar/Lam - for the comments and encouragement.
I'm glad you posted actually Lam, I've tried to observe logic a lot because of you....I know I act radical in threads but I'm all bark and no bite in reality.

  
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Message 15 of 46 (157268)
11-08-2004 11:39 AM


Thanks evryone - I'm pleased that I am having this much attention. .
Hey Zephyr - glad your back, thanks also to Asgara, Ifen, baba, and Glordag etc..etc... okay - now keep telling me how great I am! .....lol, no seriously - I'm grateful for those words of kindness from you guys. Bring me the multitude and I'll convert them. (Still expecting a post from Buz saying he is dissapointed tho. )
Sherlock writes:
But remember, all work and no play make mike a dull boy
Ahah! I knew Sherlock Holmes would unlock the secrets of my avatar!
Hey Ned, I know - individuals don't evolve literally. You problem is you are a literalist. Now get out of my ego-stroking thread!!
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Message 16 of 46 (157277)
11-08-2004 11:59 AM
Reply to: Message 10 by Glordag
11-08-2004 2:06 AM


It's people like you that keep my faith in humanity intact (;. I hope you're satisfied with where you are at, and may you have the smoothest of transitions. Hey, while you're at it, can you come teach my friends what practicting Christianity should really be about?
Wow. Thanks for this Glordag - I'm shocked....(what did I do so good???? *baffled* )
Mike for president? No really - I'm not Kerry posting as mike - I promise.

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Message 17 of 46 (157280)
11-08-2004 12:10 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by Asgara
11-07-2004 11:31 PM


Hey baba girly, u did want to change my mind cos u r naughty!
But - my mind being changed is inevitable. Sylas predicted this change, *smart ass*,- and here it is. However, if it shows anything - it's that people can change their minds. I've always tried to be objective, and so - people haven't "wasted their time" on me like some might think. So - if u ever think your time has been wasted at EvC then remember me. -> the learner-baba of goodliness/-->[insert ego-stroking comments].... Where's Rei, Dan and Shraff and Crashfrog - they haven't comforted my ego yet..are they even against me and want me dead?

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Message 19 of 46 (157370)
11-08-2004 4:05 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by NosyNed
11-08-2004 1:45 PM


Re: Changing minds
Now, of course, you are useless as a creo admin so the offer of the job should be withdrawn
Hah! I'll just have to tempt them by agreeing with every evolution statement made. .....Either that or join up with Lam and hijack the forum.

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Message 23 of 46 (158148)
11-10-2004 5:46 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by Tony650
11-10-2004 5:20 PM


You're an intelligent person and you're going through a process that many deep thinkers do. Believe it or not, I really admire you; I've known you far longer than you've known me, and I think you've shown a lot of courage, all things considered.
Thanks Tony..tis a hard road - for a regular Einstein.
I'm grateful for these comments..I hope I live up to them...,but; Were you a lurker here? Is that how you've known me longer?
It can be a difficult journey, I know, but in the long run, you will be all the better for it
Well, it can be diffcuilt - especially when I am irrefutable and omniscient. The great omni-baba of EvC (ooooh gaawwwd they chant).

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Message 26 of 46 (158169)
11-10-2004 7:29 PM
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11-10-2004 7:21 PM



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Message 27 of 46 (158172)
11-10-2004 7:33 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by Tony650
11-10-2004 7:11 PM


Oh how could I forget? I failed to mention your most noteworthy trait of all; your humility
Absolutely - I mean afterall, when I say regular - I have to come down a few levels.
You already have.
(I hope u like baba sized smilies)
A stalker? Lol.
Actually, I thought you knew. I've mentioned it here and there on the forum and I guess I just assumed that you'd have read it already.
I think I did somewhere - but I wasn't sure if it was you or someone else. Ahem -no really - I knew (*yikes* - he almost found out that mike isn't omniscient)
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Message 30 of 46 (158333)
11-11-2004 9:05 AM
Reply to: Message 28 by nator
11-10-2004 8:22 PM


I'm glad you found a way to integrate your faith and science in your life and mind.
Thanks, it might have had something to do with your postings aswell - you had a part in it. I remember, the discussion about no absolute certainties in science, and how you always point out that science has no say on God - or the ToE has no effect on faith. Thanks very much for the comments Shraffybaba.

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Message 32 of 46 (158336)
11-11-2004 9:23 AM
Reply to: Message 29 by Tony650
11-11-2004 12:58 AM


but I'm just a regular Einstein
Ahaha. Not bad, not bad..just as long as you know - most sapiens are only regular Einsteins.
Of course, baba anythings are cute. Well, usually. I'm sure there are exceptions
EEEeeeeeewwwww.
I suppose somebody else may have said the same, but chances are you were reading mine
Oh - I got you mixed up with the other Tony.
but perhaps you're only semi-omniscient, as opposed to omni-omniscient
Are u trying to confuse irrefutable baramin baba?
I suppose half- all knowing means that I know half of everything - giving me the title of pretty darn knowing.

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Message 33 of 46 (158337)
11-11-2004 9:25 AM
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11-11-2004 9:17 AM


No problem.
.. I bet you thought I just forget all our heated exchanges and everything said because of bias and post-hoc reasoning? lol.

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Message 38 of 46 (158681)
11-12-2004 10:39 AM


Sparse Kent and regular Einsteins
Tony writes:
Never! There is only ONE Tony! Beware of cheap imitations!
*cuts off imitation's head*
"There can be ONLY ONE!"
*screams...floats into the air...electricity pulses through body...windows explode*
Ahem...*cough*...sorry...
Okay, okay - I get it Mcloud. I still say there are other Tony's in existence.
Tony writes:
Are the semi-omniscient privy to the meaning of life?
Hah! Tis an easy thing to those who find it - to those who don't - it isn't.
Maxwell's Demom writes:
That, of course, means you too mike.
I study you all through the shadows (insert evil laughter)
Thanks Kent, you sneaky lurker - get back to the firey chasm from whence thou came!
..
P.S. Forgive my limited input Tony, it's hard enough containing you in that intelligence thread, - no - seriously tho, i'm a bit short of time. at the moment,...PS2, I will respond to intelligence thread soon, keep your baba patient lest I spank it.
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Message 41 of 46 (158705)
11-12-2004 11:29 AM
Reply to: Message 39 by Tony650
11-12-2004 11:17 AM


Tony - stop exalting me lest I be abased, - abase me, abase me lest I become an unstoppable braggart.
so it's a little weird when I'm talking to someone here; I feel as though I'm chatting with old friends and I have to keep reminding myself that they don't know me
*violins*......No really though Tony - I know you. Get an avatar though, - memory is helped by regocnition - I always remember Kent because of his distinctive avatar. I recommend one, and people might remember you more. It can be hard to memorise things - and even people at times, unfortunately.

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Message 43 of 46 (158752)
11-12-2004 1:10 PM
Reply to: Message 42 by Tony650
11-12-2004 12:02 PM


Haw haw! Now there's a self-fulfilling prophecy, if ever I've heard one! "If you find it, it's easy; if you don't, it isn't." Brilliant!
. Remember - if you find this one thing, it will be easy, - if you know the answer it's easy, if you don't - it's hard.
That's ok, Mike. Please don't stress yourself out on my account. I realize most people have lives. Heh, but seriously, it's cool
Well, I like our exchanges - they aren't the problem - the problem is I get involved in too many postings - lol - look at my number of posts.
My baba is always patient for you, Mike
Aaaawwww. Godly baba!
Heh, sorry about that. Just being honest.....I can't do that; not in my nature, I'm afraid.
Me knows it. Remember - find the answer - find that "one" answer. Lol.
Well, yeah but I don't think I'm that well known on the forum. I mean, if I say names like schraf
Oh come now, when asked "Who is that incessant obsessive who loves dimensions" we all say "TONY"
Perhaps when you're speaking to someone you feel like you know inside out you subconsciously assume they know you, too.
You're closer to the answer than you might know.
Oh - I've solved your avatar problem;

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