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sidelined
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Message 31 of 35 (156483)
11-05-2004 11:23 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by woundeddog
11-05-2004 9:26 PM


woundeddog
Welcome to the forum friend.
It wasn't that Jesus death was so horrible that gives forgiveness of sin--
OK then why is such a fuss made over the suffering as if the pain of suffering was somewhow the payment for sin?
its that Jesus didnt sin-
There is very little record of the life of christ so such a statement is not backed by evidence to show whether or not sin was in his life or not.
his death and blood paid for the sin debt of anyone that comes to him for forgiveness
Yes but what is the morality of a god that requires sacrifice in order to make good on the debt of sin? Also why is the sacrifice necessary if all that is rquired is belief in him.The story could just end with him rising into the clouds after gathering all his followers together and telling them straight out that you only get to follow by believing in him?

"Calling Atheism a religion is like calling bald a hair color."
--Don Hirschberg

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sidelined
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Message 32 of 35 (157878)
11-10-2004 6:51 AM
Reply to: Message 31 by sidelined
11-05-2004 11:23 PM


Bump for woundeddog

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Message 33 of 35 (158803)
11-12-2004 2:59 PM
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11-05-2004 11:23 PM


Sidelined writes:
OK then why is such a fuss made over the suffering as if the pain of suffering was somewhow the payment for sin?
I think it is not a good idea to emphasize Jesus' suffering when introducing the gospel to a non-believer.
As I'm sure you have already heard, the primary significance of Jesus is his death as an acceptable [to God] atonement for our sins and his resurrection.

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PecosGeorge
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Message 34 of 35 (158820)
11-12-2004 3:24 PM
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09-05-2004 4:54 AM


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Christ also suffered for being on this planet among unloving, wicked people, assailed by temptation left and right, and the knowledge that taking upon him the sins of those unloving and wicked people would seperate him from his father. Imagine, the difference in location, from heaven to here.
God is renowned for his long-suffering ways. Does that mean he is suffering?

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sidelined
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Message 35 of 35 (159229)
11-13-2004 9:40 PM
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11-12-2004 2:59 PM


dpardo
As I'm sure you have already heard, the primary significance of Jesus is his death as an acceptable [to God] atonement for our sins and his resurrection.
But why is it that such a horror is acceptable to a god who is loving? This makes no sense on the face of it and the deeper I dwell on it the less sense it makes.
If I were a christian my view would be not to allow christ into my life in full mind of the gift freely given since I would consider this a test by god to see who is worthy by rejecting those who would allow another{christ}to take the punishment that I rightly would deserve.This would be a far greater determination of the true character of a personal code of ethics of the person,in my view,than someone who takes the bait{accepts christ} so to speak in order to avoid the wrath of god by deflecting the responsibility to another.
Again this is just my opinion and no reflection on those who are christian by whatever choice they made.

"Calling Atheism a religion is like calling bald a hair color."
--Don Hirschberg

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