Has anyone seen god?

Brian, I thought it says that noone will see God the Father's face. Moses didn't even get to see his face. He made him turn away when He passed by so that he (Moses) only saw His back. We do get to see the face of God the Son, we do not get to see the face of God the Father. What do you think -Z

I have always heard (like I was saying to Brian in the previous post) when it refers to not seeing the face it is referring to God the Father. When we see Him face to face it is refer to times with Yeshua the Messiah....God the Son. We just have to check the context carefully and make sure we got it correct. Ther are no contradictions in the bible just misunderstanding on our part. %) -Z

I have heard some scholars say they believe there were instances where Jesus may have been appearing before man in the Old Testament. One such referrence would be in Gen 18 the three visitors. One is the Lord and since we don't get to see the Fathers face and Abraham saw the three men (one being God) the one he spoke to (face to face) would have to be Jesus.

If Jesus is not the Lord then who is He? John 10:30 If you believe that Jesus always told the truth then in John 10:30 Jesus says that He and the Father are one. So if the "Lord" is spoken of in the Old Testament, and it is said that you will never see the face of God the Father, then when it refers to the Lord in the Old Testament and you see His face, literally, then it must be (I think) Jesus. That's what I think. -Z

Wow, interesting. Actually Yhvh or Ihvh (YHWH) as we know it and Adonai are the same in meaning. Adonai-a Hewbrew name for God, usually translated in the Old Testament by the word Lord. (note) The later Jews used it's vowel points to fill out the tetragrammaton Yhvh or Ihvh 'the incommunicable name' and in reading substituted Adonai. --Webster's 1913 Dictionary-- So it looks as though YHWH and Adonai actually are the same in meaning. They just got substituted one for the other throughout hstory. Forbidden

I checked it out. Very impressive. What I like best about this site is that when I think I know a little I find out how little I really know. I have to say you know your stuff. You say you don't give credance to John. Why? If you aren't Christian and if you are Jewish or other I can see why you would say that. Is that it? -Z

Can you give me some examples of where you feel the blasphemy occured?
I would like to research it further and get back to you. Also you should check out the FFOZ (first fruits of zion) site and subscribe it is highly informative. It takes a more "back to the roots" look at the bible and how the Old Testament and New Testament work together to basically back up one another. How nothing really has changed between the two Testaments. You would love it. I think. -Z