Has anyone seen god?

If Jesus was God, then wouldn't looking Jesus in the face be equivelant to looking God in the face?Brian.

Hi Angel, I prefer to interpret that verse as Jacob fighting with God as he named the place where this happened 'Peniel' which means 'Face of God'/'God's Face'.I believe that Jacob verifies that he saw God's face when he adds that he has called the place Peniel.This is further qualified by Jacob when he states that the place is called Peniel because: It is because I saw God face to face, and yet my life was spared." This appears to suggest that Jacob believed that if anyone sees God face to face then they will die, but as he has saw God's face and is spared then he is thankful.There would be no reason for Jacob to qualify the naming if he had not seen God's face.Is there some problem caused if someone has seen God's face and lived?Does this really make a difference to anything?Cheers.Brian.

Hi Z,It was just a thought I had really, if Jesus was God then many people saw his face, thus they saw God's face. If they are one and the same then is it at least possible that Jesus' face is indeed God's face?I personally do not see what all the fuss is about.Brian.

Hi Phat, Sounds fine to me.brian.

Hi Dpardo,But Genesis 32 contradicts Hosea, it is clearly not an angel that Jacob wrestles with, there is no mention of an angel in the Genesis reference, if it was an angel then why name the area Peniel?Hosea doesnt actually mention a 'man' at all in his text, and the context of the Genesis quote does not make sense if it was an angel.Look at the context:26 Then the man said, "Let me go, for it is daybreak."
But Jacob replied, "I will not let you go unless you bless me."
27 The man asked him, "What is your name?"
"Jacob," he answered.
28 Then the man said, "Your name will no longer be Jacob, but Israel, [5] because you have struggled with God and with men and have overcome."
29 Jacob said, "Please tell me your name."
But he replied, "Why do you ask my name?" Then he blessed him there. There is no mention of an angel in this encounter, and I do not see how an angel could bless anyone.Why would Jacob say he saw God face to face if he had been fighting an angel?The name change to 'Israel' is directly linked to this encounter as well.As for God being a liar, what is the big deal about that?The Bible informs us that God does tell lies. He sends false prophest to test Israel's faithfulness, amongst other things.Deuteronomy 13:1-3 1 If a prophet, or one who foretells by dreams, appears among you and announces to you a miraculous sign or wonder, 2 and if the sign or wonder of which he has spoken takes place, and he says, "Let us follow other gods" (gods you have not known) "and let us worship them," 3 you must not listen to the words of that prophet or dreamer. The LORD your God is testing you to find out whether you love him with all your heart and with all your soul. A prophet is simply a man or woman who speaks God's words, God invariably puts the words in their mouth, a la Moses.The above verse tells us that God will send a prophet to deliberately mislead Israel to test her loyalty. The prophet will announce a sign or wonder that will come to pass, but the prophet will say it is in the name of another God. The mention of the wonder being done in the name of another god is a lie, the sign would have been from Yahweh and Yahweh told the prophet to say it was in some other god's name. Thus God is a known liar, no big deal in ancient near eastern literature.If Yahweh is to be considered a god then He needs to be able to do anything, including telling lies.There is also the possibility that it was Hosea who was the liar, if it is a lie that is. After all, it was Hosea who allegedly wrote the text, although this has to be taken on faith.Brian.

Hi Angel, Anything is possible with God, if he wanted to manifest himself in physical form then that would not be a problem. I dont see why it would. God taking human form is different from Jesus' case. Jesus is said to have an earthly mother. This requires a 'begat', but the earlier incident doesn't. Jesus doesn't fit in anywhere in the Old Testament, and as I said the situation is totally different. Do you also hurt your hip so bad in dreams that you cannot walk It appears that Jacob did.Cheers.Brian.

But a man is someone who has human parents, Jesus didn't have a human father so He could not be a man, He must have been something different. So your father was a god as well was he?Jesus was supposed to be God incarnate so it is logical that Jesus looked like God.Is Jesus God? Have you seen God?Brian.

But He wasn’t human born, human born requires a human mother and father, and we are told Jesus’ father was God. Can you tell me another human whose father wasn’t human? Different but the same?Someone with a god for a daddy is not human. Well Paul said a lot of things that are absolute crap. He’s dead, been dead for about 2000 years, if He ever existed that is. Buz, we are all sons of God. He wasn’t the only one referred to as ”son of man’ though. How often was Ezekiel referred to as son of man? Well, to understand the context of his statement you need to understand what these terms mean. Yes we all know the myths, and we all know how ludicrous they are, especially the ”sacrifice’ that wasn’t a sacrifice. Okay, so you do not know what God looks like.You do not know what Jesus looks like.So, you do not know if they are identical or not.Here’s some logic.Jesus is God.Jesus had a face.Therefore, Jesus’ face was God’s face.Simple innit?Brian