The Whole Jesus Thing

I just saw this thread and thought I'd put in my thoughts...When you try to see things from God's perspective, it does seem rather ridiculous.. the whole dying and condemning thing...But then how do you really know what it is like to see things from God's perspective? We don't have a clue... so why try?All we can do is see things from our perspective.So... from my perspective: I see myself as a creature that is living by God's decision. Without him I would have no physical life and without him I would have no hope of something beyond this physical life. And I have done nothing to deserve anything more. Now in order for a finite being with free-will to eternally dwell with an infinite supreme being, perhaps two things are inherently necessary: faith and obedience. I mean if God is infinite and I am finite, there's gonna be a lot of surprises and adventures to come so I must be able to trust him. And perhaps the thing called "evil" is an inherent product of the coexistence of a willful finite being with a willful infinite being. So obedience must be one of our characteristics if we are to be apart of God without becoming evil in rebellion.Now it is true that God knew what the whole package would include when he formed the universe, but can you conceive of a more perfect way to refine in his creatures the qualities of faith and obedience while at the same time illuminating the qualities of his character? My puny brain certainly cannot.If this God wants to communicate to us that he loves us and desires a relationship with us, he must do so in terms we can understand... in fact every bit of our so called understanding is only a picture of something too great for our finite brains to comprehend.So if God wants to show love to us, how might he do it? I know that I personally get all choked up watching war movies when one soldier gives his life for his buddies or his sweetheart back home. "There is no greater love than for one man to give his life for another." So God becomes a man and dies for us to communicate this love to us.God taught us obedience by giving us law. And if God is good you would expect the law to generally follow what we intuitively know to be good. And Jesus said loving God and loving others summed it all up. He gave us bodies that were suceptible to breaking the law to test our will to see if it will obey his. He knew full well we couldn't live up to it, so He showed us that he would not hold our sins against us. How can he prove it? Pour them out on Christ. And that just happens to teach us about his justice righteousness and mercy as well.And I could go on, but you're getting bored...The whole point of Christ is not so that God can set up some extravagant obstacle course and hand the prize to the only ones foolish enough to go through it. The point is to teach us about God and to refine those characteristics which are necessary for God to have a relationship with us.You're free to disagree. This whole argument will be based on our assumptions so any arguing is really pointless. In the end it all boils down to faith.

Contracycle, can you tell me what this topic is about? Then please tell me what science has to do with this topic.Stop making DA OT posts.

Where? I can't seem to find what you're talking about.

How are you sure? Jesus was more than a prophet.

You can't be a hundred percent sure that miracles do not ever or have not ever occured. Since there is no scientific evidence for it you use Ocam's razor and eliminate it from your considerations, but that does not mean you know that they did not happen.

You're talking about my statement that Jesus was more than a prophet?I was simply correcting your assertion that he was merely a prophet. You used Deuteronomy to say that Jesus was un-Biblical by performing miracles. If you are going to base your argument on a passage from the Bible, then you can also trust Jesus' words, "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life...". Jesus claimed to be the Son of God, which is more than any other prophet claimed.