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Topic: The lies behind the Miller experiment
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JESUS freak
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Message 58 of 115 (157200)
11-08-2004 9:50 AM
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Reply to: Message 46 by Yaro 11-05-2004 4:20 PM
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Re: An explanation of evolution
it's not evidence because it didn't work. IT FAILD! You got that for the third time!
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JESUS freak
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Message 65 of 115 (158040)
11-10-2004 1:58 PM
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Reply to: Message 61 by PaulK 11-08-2004 10:02 AM
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Failure
Fine, the first miller experiment didn't fail compleatly. Yes it did form some amino acids along with the poisonous tar. If they had used the right atmusphere, it might have proved something. At the time of his experiment, miller was depending upon harold urey's theories about the atmosphere. Though the hydrogen rich enviroment was a commen theory back then, almost no credible scientist today would tell you the atmosphere was like the one that miller used in his chamber. As a geophysicist with the Carnegie Institution said in the 1960's, "What is the evidence for a primitive methane ammonia atmosphere on earth. The answer is that there is no evidence for it, but much against it." Two of the leading origin-of-life researchers in the 1970's, Klaus Dose and Sidney Fox, said that miller used the wrong gas mixture. The first miller experiment proved that in the right man made conditions, a few amino acids can form and float around doing nothing.
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Message 66 of 115 (158045)
11-10-2004 2:00 PM
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Reply to: Message 62 by jar 11-08-2004 10:04 AM
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Re: Here's your problem
Fine, let's say that the miller experiment has nothing to do with evoloution. This doesn't change the fact that it is being used as evidence in school courses. My point remains.
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JESUS freak
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Message 67 of 115 (158049)
11-10-2004 2:02 PM
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Reply to: Message 64 by Yaro 11-08-2004 10:37 AM
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Re: An explanation of evolution
That was my point, it may not have anything to do with evoloution, but IT IS BEING USED AS PROOF OF evolution.
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Message 70 of 115 (158059)
11-10-2004 2:06 PM
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Reply to: Message 63 by RAZD 11-08-2004 10:35 AM
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Re: An explanation of evolution
One, the elements in your first experiment were not on earth when it was created. Secondly, you want a brane to form? Just leave your soup out at room temprature for a hour or two, you call that organic?
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JESUS freak
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Message 71 of 115 (158063)
11-10-2004 2:07 PM
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Reply to: Message 69 by NosyNed 11-10-2004 2:06 PM
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Re: School textbooks
Yes I did give you the ISBN and the other guy found the book. I'll get others and quote from the one I have when I get the time
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Message 89 of 115 (159744)
11-15-2004 1:56 PM
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Reply to: Message 76 by PaulK 11-10-2004 5:16 PM
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Re: Failure
To produce amino acids "easier than one thought" was not the purpose of the miller experiment. Second, easier than who thought, and how hard did they think it would be? Miller did think that creating his amino acids (which still had no chance of forming life) would take 6 months to a year, so what?
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Message 90 of 115 (159747)
11-15-2004 1:57 PM
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Reply to: Message 77 by RAZD 11-10-2004 8:55 PM
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Re: An explanation of evolution
Oh you didn't? How about reading message 65
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Message 91 of 115 (159750)
11-15-2004 1:59 PM
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Reply to: Message 88 by CK 11-13-2004 5:30 AM
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Re: Failure
A quote on what? I have alredy quoted 2 scientist who both say that the atmosphere on earth at the time of creation was almost deffinitly not the hydrogen rich atmusphere that miller used.
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Message 92 of 115 (159753)
11-15-2004 2:00 PM
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Reply to: Message 78 by NosyNed 11-10-2004 9:47 PM
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Re: Early atmosphere
Thank you will you tell the others that
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JESUS freak
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Message 93 of 115 (159757)
11-15-2004 2:02 PM
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Reply to: Message 79 by Coragyps 11-10-2004 9:57 PM
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Re: Early atmosphere
Yes your right you can still get biomolocules, AS I EXPLAINED IN THE TOPIC MESSAGE! I feal like were going in circles here
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JESUS freak
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Message 95 of 115 (159762)
11-15-2004 2:03 PM
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Reply to: Message 82 by CK 11-11-2004 6:43 AM
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Re: School textbooks
I didn't say it supported my claimbs, I said that was the book!
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Message 98 of 115 (159872)
11-15-2004 5:18 PM
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Reply to: Message 96 by CK 11-15-2004 2:14 PM
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Re: School textbooks
I was talking about message 29 where you asked me if this was the book
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JESUS freak
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Re: Who lies about the Miller-Urey Experiment?
Just because something is dead doesn't mean it was once alive, is a block of iron alive? I don't think so as it does not fulfill al the requirements for life. Like iron, the amino acids created by the first miller experiment never fulfilled all the requirements of living.
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