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crashfrog
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Message 7 of 51 (160653)
11-17-2004 5:48 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by jjburklo
11-17-2004 4:13 PM


Hmmm is this a fortuitous series of accidents or the work of a superior Designer?
There's no evidence that such a Designer existed or could have existed.
Where is it more rational to lodge my faith?
Probably in the view supported by the methodology with proven results. That would be the methodological naturalism of the scientific method.
But science isn't a place for faith, and the origin of life is not a question of faith. You shouldn't be so quick to demand a settling of the question when we're hardly looked into it, yet. There's much to discover about the origin of life. Why can't "I don't know yet" be an appropriate answer to that question?
Or, more determinantly, which of these two interpretations do you want to believe in
The one that is correct. I, for one, do not allow what I want to be true to affect my conception of what is true, and I don't understand why a rational person would think otherwise. What does it matter which one of those interpretations we want to be true?
The one we should "believe in" is the one that is right. Which one is that? We don't know yet. Why isn't that answer good enough for you?

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crashfrog
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Message 21 of 51 (161333)
11-18-2004 11:38 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by jjburklo
11-18-2004 11:18 PM


Simply because its never good enough for me.
So, because you don't like not knowing, you have to make something up instead?
Look, buddy, grow up. We live in a world of uncertainty, a world of imperfect knowledge. Learning to deal with that is how we become adults, instead of children who cling to fairy tales because ignorance is scary.
Then you are one of the very very very select few.
No. I'm just an adult.

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crashfrog
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Message 23 of 51 (161335)
11-18-2004 11:40 PM
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11-18-2004 11:33 PM


Did you see the guy that made your car? Like the rest of us probably not. But I'll put a million dollars down that you believe that somebody did in fact build your car.
Yeah.
Because we can go to factories and see people building cars just like mine.
So tell me where I can go to to see God hard at work making people. As far as I've ever seen, the only thing making people is people.
I see God's hand in biology every day.
By what method do you distinguish the work of God's hand from the things that just happen because of the laws of physics?

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crashfrog
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Message 25 of 51 (161337)
11-18-2004 11:41 PM
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11-18-2004 11:38 PM


You assume that it was designed and built by somebody.
Yes. Because we've seen humans create cabinets. I can't stress that enough. Show me where I can watch God creating things.
We never infer design from the object. It's not possible. We infer design because we observe designers.

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crashfrog
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Message 49 of 51 (167750)
12-13-2004 3:06 PM
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12-13-2004 2:03 PM


How are we to know which is which?
By looking, maybe?

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