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lfen
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Message 1 of 10 (139860)
09-04-2004 12:27 PM


Reading the Brad McFall thread this statement of Brad's lead me to my topic question:

what you didnt understand was that inorder to answer snikwad I had to say something of a whole organism in terms of death either of the individual or the sum of chemical deaths within.

Is there death? Or is there just a gross change of function? After I die the energy and matter of my body simply undergo a change of relationship, but they did that we then entered into and participated in my living body. So in what sense is there death or is it merely transformation?

lfen


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Message 3 of 10 (143307)
09-20-2004 9:06 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by lfen
09-04-2004 12:27 PM


The ultimate re-cycling,Ifen. When some asks how old I am, I say 'The same age as you--4500 million years, or thereabouts.':-)

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Message 4 of 10 (143309)
09-20-2004 9:12 AM
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09-04-2004 12:27 PM


Ifen

Is there death

Well If you mean death as an individual yes since the consciousness you have is a result of a brain which decays at death and no longer performs the functions required to allow "you" to live.It is only because of our biology that we are able to make utilize energy to live.I am supposing that you are actually asking if our "souls" live on in which case I would ask you what you mean by soul.


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Message 5 of 10 (155672)
11-04-2004 12:32 AM


Myine
My version of death is no longer living in a reality.In this case we die on earth. We enter heaven in a mental reality. The "soul" is a spiritual reality that is connected to a heaven. We leave the reality and enter our life as a soul in the mental reality "heaven."

Unless your me and have the theroy of that life is actually a MMOG.


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11-04-2004 12:37 AM
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11-04-2004 12:32 AM


Cancel my Subscription; Let me into the WoW Beta
Unless your me and have the theroy of that life is actually a MMOG.

Damn, I must be farming in the wrong area. All I do is grind, grind, grind, but I never seem to level up. I must have done the "Deliver this hot, toasty sandwich!" mission like 100 times now, but all I get is 5.25 in gold pieces. Never any XP or treasure drops.


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Re: Myine
does this mean that we return to bind point when the rats get too vicioius?


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Message 8 of 10 (161680)
11-19-2004 11:09 PM


Please stay on topic. Internet RPG rhetoric frightens me

I personally don't believe in reincarnation, so I think earthly life grinds to a halt come our time to kick the bucket. Death, as far as I'm concerned, is the living cells dying, although it is 'recycling'.


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Message 9 of 10 (161980)
11-21-2004 1:37 AM
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11-19-2004 11:09 PM


reincarnation- any possible truth?
I myself do not really believe in reincarnation, but then I don't know what to do when I read a story like this one-

http://www.ycsi.net/users/reversespins/proofofreincarnation.html

I've read many stories like this, which have supposedly been varifited to match up with the life of someone who has died. Is it possible that every single one of these stories is only a hoax and all made up, or is there something more behind it that we are unaware of?


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Message 10 of 10 (162095)
11-21-2004 4:23 PM
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11-21-2004 1:37 AM


Re: reincarnation- any possible truth?
Is it possible that every single one of these stories is only a hoax and all made up, or is there something more behind it that we are unaware of?

I don't know. There is another approach in Buddhism which denies a permanent self and yet in Tibet for example recognizes incarnations. So the question is what incarnates and the answer is memories, tendencies, intents. As I understand it, and please don't take my word for this it's just a possibility that I may have this right but I've probably garbled most of it, the Dalai Lamas are not held to be the same person. Each life is a different person but the intent of the Dala Lama is transfered.

The other question is what is memory and how is it created and transfered. Culture, language, values, habits are often transferred from other sources. Is there an unknown way to transfer memories? Not that I know of, but I'm going to start sounding like Hangdawg here and say we've not thereby ruled it out. Many times it turns out that cases of supposed reincarnation can be accounted for by conventional memory transfer, the person heard something and perhaps forgot the source. There are more cases of reincarnated memories in young children in India but then Hindu's believe in reincarnation and beliefs have a way of being confirmed.

So I'm skeptical but it was a very interesting article. Thanks for the link.

lfen

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