How do we know?

HiWhat do you mean by religious commandments? How is this assertion backed up?Morality? Are you saying atheists agree with one another? What is your basis for your morals? Are they the same basis as the current law? Or are they agreed upon by you and other atheists?

You mis-understand.If atheist have no basis of morals on which they agree upon, then what basis do they share? How are they better than theists like you make them out to be?You mention the commandments. Some atheists might follow them, some might not. Some atheists would consider one thing immoral - another might not.But with religions, a set of people agree upon a moral basis which doesn't change. In this regard, they are firm morally. For example - Jews would agree to follow the commandments - and those commandments do not change.This message has been edited by anne, 11-21-2004 01:30 PM

Erm - no we can't say God is evil - YOU ARE. So let's examine YOU.Your first assertion is that there are conflicting morals in Christianity. Which proves nothing, because you didn't back it up. Christians agree on the morals, as there is no choice. The basis of Christ's teachings also don't change.As for invoking the Old Testament, this is simply your modern atheistic concept of God, that he is evil etc.. You lack the Christian's theology concerning these things. It's irrelevant if a human judges God as evil for a start, that won't mean he is because a modern outlook is easy to buy into.So you claim some moral high, and then judge God.That's two big no nos when it comes to what the bible says. Since you are a modern atheist who doesn't argue to have a moral basis or source, and just a human with subjective outlook on morals, your points aren't valid. Back your assertions about Christians please, thanks.This message has been edited by anne, 11-21-2004 07:04 PM

That's all Old Testament.Jesus says that we have heard in times past, that it should be an eye for an eye, but now I say, love your enemies, bless those that curse you.Jesus also said to them about to stone a prostitute, " Let he without sin cast the first stone ".THIS is why you lack a Christian philosophy. Because it doesn't matter how much NT I quote - you'll always quote the Old one, even if Christ has fulfilled the law for me, as it is written in the OT, "he shall be called THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS".However, I claim no moral high dround for this very reason - as no moral can make me enter heaven. If you or Paul had this theology, you wouldn't assert wrongful conclusions about us.So you see - we don't even boast a moral highground. You both show a lack of understanding.Read more about "no boasting" in the New Testament, the parts written by Paul who was Saul.This message has been edited by anne, 11-21-2004 07:21 PM

Oops, Okay. Sorry.Ofcourse, I'll refrain then. And, abortion wasn't mentioned by Christ, I was only agreeing about the NT moral basis - which doesn't change, but I won't go off topic into that now.Thanks for the welcomes.